[kwlug-disc] topic request

Khalid Baheyeldin kb at 2bits.com
Tue May 4 08:44:43 EDT 2010

I don't think in John's space (server hardware) it would be much noticed,
because there is still the need to have a distro that the hardware vendor
supports there specific hardware (e.g. IBM, Dell, HP). So far Canonical has
not been as successful as RedHat and Novell. Is it a matter of time, or are
there hurdles? I don't know.

In my space (usage by web hosts) it is gaining ground though. Examples are
hosting companies offering it as an option on bare metal hardware (e.g.
Rimuhosting), or others who offer it on VPS (e.g. SliceHost), and images for
Amazon AWS abound as well, being bundled in preconfigured applications (e.g.
Mercury for Drupal).

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:54 AM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:

> John, is this what you are seeing in the field / your business as well? A
> move away from RHEL (CentOS)?
> Will you be packing up all those skills any time soon?
> Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 05/03/2010 10:47 PM:
>  On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:56 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
>>  Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 05/03/2010 5:03 PM:
>>>  On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:41 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>>  From the original post, it would be more interesting to compare CentOS
>>>>> vs.
>>>>> Kubuntu (Debian), 1/2 night each, in each of these areas.
>>>>> To put it poorly, in essence, popular desktop maintenance vs. popular
>>>>> server maintenance.
>>>> Why the false dichotomy?
>>>>  It's not false.
>>> The sense I have from the list is that in business / servers, CentOS or
>>> RHEL is more prevalent, while on desktops it is Ubuntu.
>>> Thus, having an understanding of both seems appropriate.
>> Yes, that is a common perception, and it has historical reasons.
>> First, RedHat had commercial support and support for certain hardware
>> that does not have the same support in Debian (and therefore Ubuntu).
>> This makes certain server stuff (e.g. RAID controllers).
>> Second, there was the "Debian is hard" which was true until a few years
>> ago.
>> Third, RedHat supported proprietary service based thingies that were
>> common on web hosts (e.g. cPanel, WHM, ...etc.), and support for Debian
>> was lagging for these.
>> However, lately things have swung in favor of Debian, with Ubuntu Server
>> Edition gaining traction everywhere. One of the reasons is that it is
>> Debian
>> with all the APT goodness there is. Another is that it has a vast central
>> repository with everything in it. And yet another is the familiarity with
>> the
>> desktop provides easy switching rather than a different one for each.
>> And with virtualization, support for hardware is not that much of an issue
>> if you are managing VPSs.
>> So hopefully more people will see the light and switch to Debian/Ubuntu
>> on the server.
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