[kwlug-disc] topic request

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Sat May 1 10:53:04 EDT 2010


I was thinking of an entire evening dedicated to dpkg and it sisters and 
its cousins and its aunts.

--Bob.


On Sat, 01 May 2010 at 9:55, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote 
about Re: [kwlug-disc] topic request:
>
>
> Bob Jonkman wrote, On 05/01/2010 2:09 AM:
>> >But not, I think, very low level dpkg tools?
>>
>> I only know 'dpkg -l' and recently learned that 'dpkg-reconfigure' 
>> exists. Or is that 'dpkg -reconfigure'?  So yes, yet another session 
>> on low level dpkg tools would be nice.
>
> I disagree, it would blow time out of the water. This would become 
> multi-meeting, like 3.
>
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (?) isn't an unavoided standard in your 
> world? (And it's about the only one I know / use.) (-:
>
>> And also, when should I use Synaptic vs. Ubuntu Software Centre?
>
> Personal preference / when you are choosing computer roles, not 
> packages. (?)
>
>> Aptitude vs. dselect?  Does a package not from a respository 
>> installed with gdebi still play nicely with dependencies?  Inquiring 
>> mind wants to know.  (And should someone respond to these questions 
>> on-list, I'll need reminding at a meeting in a few months anyway)
>
> That actually would be coverable at this high level.
>
> Part of where I was coming from is, there's a whole lot of stuff to 
> surrounding an executable such that it can become a package. Not sure 
> how much time there would be for such in one session, before 
> saturation hits. Especially if the session is split between Debian and 
> CentOS.
>
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 at 23:22, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote 
>> about Re: [kwlug-disc] topic request:
>>> Different issues, I think, best dealt with separately.
>>>
>>> But definitely a worthy issue.
>>>
>>> Given threads in the list, it would be interesting to see a similarly
>>> split presentation - one on both 'OS's, and a second on the two
>>> package management 'tasks'.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't want too deep a dive on either one though. e.g. OS', first
>>> stop, is people often need headers to compile against the kernel,
>>> etc., etc. Next might be a kernel module (e.g. dazuko/compatibility).
>>> Next could be the kernel itself. [To nod to Bob on his past
>>> presentation, device drivers get in here too.] Then perhaps a trivial
>>> kernel mod.
>>>
>>>     Also in here, but perhaps making things too complex, is 
>>> following the
>>> messages that appear on screen, which is doing what, which are/n't
>>> kernel related, etc.
>>>
>>> Same 'higher' level on package management - system software
>>> maintenance steps: apt-get (aptitude?) mechanics, then rpm mechanics.
>>>
>>> Perhaps, both, to wrapping something up to give to someone else, or to
>>> send up to a repository. But not, I think, very low level dpkg tools?
>>>
>>> So, one night, OS', Debian (kubuntu) contrasted with CentOS, another
>>> night aptitude contrasted with rpm?
>>>
>>> Certainly package management methodology has been a not infrequent 
>>> list topic - usually coming up with 'what distro to use.' The answer 
>>> to which seems to usually surround which package manager are you 
>>> more comfortable with.
>>>
>>> Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 04/30/2010 9:07 PM:
>>>> How about you expand that to include packaging application as .deb?
>>>> Would that make for a 2 hour-ish presentation.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Eric Gerlach
>>>> <eric+kwlug at gerlach.ca<eric%2Bkwlug at gerlach.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:19:40PM -0400, Stephen Palmateer wrote:
>>>>>> Permission to request a discussion about building the linux 
>>>>>> kernel from
>>>>>> source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am attempting to build the CentOS 5.4 kernel from source and am
>>>>>> frustrating my colleagues with questions they cannot answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have only been using linux (of one colour or another) for about 
>>>>>> a year
>>>>> now
>>>>>> and have been attending the KWLUG meetings for the last four months.
>>>>> I can do something on building kernels The Debian Way (TM) (also
>>>>> includes Ubuntu), but I can't help with CentOS.  I could probably 
>>>>> split
>>>>> the presentation with someone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> No demos though... takes a little while to build a kernel :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I'm not ready to commit to a date on this one, so don't sign me
>>>>> up.
>
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