[kwlug-disc] Long distance providers

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Wed Apr 28 20:27:41 EDT 2010

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 at 14:35, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote 
about Re: [kwlug-disc] Long distance providers:
> Don't know if I can receive anything on 25, but I doubt it. Anyone 
> tested this on Rogers Internet (residential), for running one's own 
> mail server?

Yes, at least five years ago.  While you could receive on port 25 it is 
clearly against Rogers' terms of service.  And their blocking of 
outbound port 25 was the reason for switching to Teksavvy.


unsolicited wrote:

> What about calling cards or that long distance service (1-10-1010- or 
> something like that) for the Egypt calls only?
> A lady I know uses calling cards (purchased cheaply in Toronto, or 
> something like that), for her calls home to Cyprus. Significantly 
> cheaper, and not all calling cards are equal, at least price wise.
> If you found a mix, perhaps you can take advantage of most of the YAK 
> features you find alluring?
> Or, would a VOIP Egyptian local number work for you?
> If I've tracked the thread properly, for you:
> - save ~$10/month internet. No more Bell bill (~$44.00/month 
> equivalent). ~$650/year saved. (Except for Egypt.)
> - 10Mbps -> 5 Mbps
> - except for Egypt, approximately equivalent phone costs.
> - you'd have to buy a modem. ~$50-100?
> - no more filtering / traffic shaping. [Certain?]
> - no cap.
> - did I get it all?
> - heck, you could keep both providers / add redundancy, if that matters.
> I talked to Paul the other night. An issue I have with Rogers is I 
> can't talk to anyone SMTP (port 25). He was going to test his work's 
> Rogers Business Service for me some day, via 'telnet <smtp server> 25' 
> or something, for me.
> Don't know if I can receive anything on 25, but I doubt it. Anyone 
> tested this on Rogers Internet (residential), for running one's own 
> mail server?
> Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 04/28/2010 1:05 PM:
>> NECC becomes your long distance provider.
>> You directly dial 011 Country Code City Code phone number.
>> No hoops to jump through, and you get a toll free number to call and get
>> similar rates and charge that to my monthly bill. So a pay phone 
>> anywhere
>> gives you similar rates (I thin 0.03 more per minute or something like
>> that).
>> The rates they advertise on their site are higher than what I get. 
>> Call the
>> toll free number and see what they can offer. I got a cold call from 
>> someone
>> who speaks Arabic and switched to them (something I rarely do).
>> Once caveat: there are no monthly fees if you pay your bill on time 
>> every
>> time. If you are late one month, they charge a $5 service fee. Still
>> acceptable with that even.
>> It all depends on where you call. There is lots of competition for North
>> America, and Europe and parts of Asia. But there is little 
>> competition for
>> Egypt, hence the higher rate, and lack of choice.
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Colin Mackay <zixiekat at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> How does the Long Distance system work with NECC?  Does it intercept
>>> all LD calls, or do you have to call them, and then dial out?
>>>> The bad news is that long distance has to stay with Yak. I 
>>>> currently use
>>>> NECC Telecom, which has low rates, and no monthly fees, specially 
>>>> when I
>>>> call the USA and Egypt a lot.
>>>> NECC has $0.14 per minute for Egypt [special rate] vs. $0.29 with Yak,
>>> and
>>>> $2.85 with Bell! The rate to USA/Canada is $0.03 to $0.05 
>>>> [comparable to
>>> Yak which has $0.035 for both].

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