[kwlug-disc] YAK Internet + Home Phone deal for Kitchener

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Mon Apr 26 00:04:46 EDT 2010


unsolicited writes:

> All well and good Bob, but the premise that started this thread was 
> co-located (Yak) DLSAMs in Bell's boxes, going out through Yak's own 
> fibre.
>
> Or am I completely missing, or misunderstanding something, here? 

It's the "last mile" -- All Yak can get is Bell connectivity from their 
DSLAM in the CO to the customer's premises.  Bell can do better, from a 
Remote DSLAM at the curbside to the customer's premises.  Unless Yak has 
their own DSLAMs at the curbside, they'll never be able to give better 
quality service than Bell does.

Fortunately, that's no so far-fetched.  If Yak is depending on the 
Globalive backhaul (that Globalive uses as the terrestrial network for 
their Wind Mobile cellular network) then Yak might be able to place a 
DSLAM wherever Wind Mobile has a cell tower.  And there should be plenty 
more cell towers than Bell has COs.  Still, getting that last mile from 
the cell tower DSLAM to customer premises might be difficult.  But 
Yak/Globalive/Wind is a cell phone company, with wireless data 
capability...  Hmm, independence from the Rogers/Bell duopoly at last?

--Bob.


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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 at 23:37, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote 
about Re: [kwlug-disc] YAK Internet + Home Phone deal for Kitchener:
> All well and good Bob, but the premise that started this thread was 
> co-located (Yak) DLSAMs in Bell's boxes, going out through Yak's own 
> fibre.
>
> Or am I completely missing, or misunderstanding something, here?
>
> Side note: As for my (& Khalid's) Roger's Express, up to 10 Mbps (and 
> above?), that's just a fantasy anyways. The net won't feed you that 
> fast, heck, the net isn't feeding Rogers that fast for them to send it 
> on to you. YMMV, average browsing, etc., etc., yada, yada, yada. I 
> never have, and never expect, to see speeds that fast.
>
>     Mind you ... if full internet HD video streaming ever comes along 
> for real, that does imply some pretty significant and expensive 
> infrastructure changes, especially along that last mile.
>
>     Saw a news blurb on TV on that the other day - you'll require a 
> Playstation or some other box on the home end of that wire. No home 
> recording of THAT content. <sigh> So what would be the point. Drat them.
>
> And hijacking the thread again ... apparently Rogers business service 
> has no cap. I expect you must have a business address. Don't know if 
> traffic filtering is an issue on the business service - Paul? Charles?
>
> Bob Jonkman wrote, On 04/25/2010 10:23 PM:
>> Khalid writes:
>>
>>> Yak runs their own DSLAM, and hence Bell cannot throttle anything.
>>>
>>> In Colin's case, it is his home's distance to the CO that is the
>>> issue, not Bell throttling.
>>
>> Bell offers 5 Mbps from the DSLAMs located in their COs, and faster
>> service from their Remote DSLAMs, located at the curbside in those ugly
>> boxes. (IANANTBWPOOTV)[*]
>>
>> Pictures of Remote DSLAM boxes at
>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15874273 and
>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22739563-What-is-that (although the
>> first link isn't Bell).
>>
>> I understand the Remote DSLAMs are connected to the COs by fibre, which
>> provides the high speeds (another diagram:
>> http://www.wholesale.bell.ca/images/dslgate_1.jpg ) Sadly, the 3rd-party
>> access mandated by the CRTC requires access only to the CO DSLAMs, so
>> Bell typically won't connect third-party customers to Remote DSLAMs.
>> I'm not sure how Yak would get access to them, and so offer the higher
>> speeds they're advertising.
>>
>> The advice typically given on DSLReports to new DSL customers is to
>> subscribe to Bell Sympatico, get the high-speed connection from a Remote
>> DSLAM, then switch to a third-party provider.  Odds are Bell won't
>> bother to disconnect you from the Remote DSLAM, and so you retain higher
>> speeds than you would have obtained from the third-party provider
>> directly.
>>
>> Throttling takes place on the backhaul between the Bell equipment in the
>> CO and their Point-Of-Presence to the upstream ISPs.  Third-party ISPs
>> typically separate at the POP, connecting to their own services.  For
>> most third-party providers the POP is at 1 Front Street in Toronto, at
>> http://www.torix.net/
>>
>> --Bob
>>
>>
>> [*] I Am Not A Network Technician, But Would Play One On TV
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 21:01 -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Kyle Spaans <3lucid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > It's 5Mbit.  I couldn't get the 10Mbit.  They may upgrade
>>>         the C/O my
>>> > DSLAM is in in the future, which will allow me to go to
>>>         10Mbps.
>>>                         Hmm, I would suspect that you can still be 
>>> throttled in that
>>>         case. I talked to
>>>         a local guy who does server colo and business internet
>>>         services and he said
>>>         that unless you're hooked up to the non-Bell DSLAM in the CO
>>>         or Remote
>>>         Office then that's where Bell is going to throttle you.
>>>                 I'm not saying you're lying about not noticing any
>>>         throttling :), but please
>>>         keep and eye out and let us know -- I'm very curious.
>>>
>>> Yak runs their own DSLAM, and hence Bell cannot throttle anything.
>>>
>>> In Colin's case, it is his home's distance to the CO that is the
>>> issue, not
>>> Bell throttling.




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