[kwlug-disc] YAK Internet + Home Phone deal for Kitchener

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Sun Apr 25 22:23:22 EDT 2010


Khalid writes:

>Yak runs their own DSLAM, and hence Bell cannot throttle anything.
> 
> In Colin's case, it is his home's distance to the CO that is the
> issue, not Bell throttling.

Bell offers 5 Mbps from the DSLAMs located in their COs, and faster
service from their Remote DSLAMs, located at the curbside in those ugly
boxes. (IANANTBWPOOTV)[*]

Pictures of Remote DSLAM boxes at
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15874273 and
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22739563-What-is-that (although the
first link isn't Bell).

I understand the Remote DSLAMs are connected to the COs by fibre, which
provides the high speeds (another diagram:
http://www.wholesale.bell.ca/images/dslgate_1.jpg ) Sadly, the 3rd-party
access mandated by the CRTC requires access only to the CO DSLAMs, so
Bell typically won't connect third-party customers to Remote DSLAMs.
I'm not sure how Yak would get access to them, and so offer the higher
speeds they're advertising.

The advice typically given on DSLReports to new DSL customers is to
subscribe to Bell Sympatico, get the high-speed connection from a Remote
DSLAM, then switch to a third-party provider.  Odds are Bell won't
bother to disconnect you from the Remote DSLAM, and so you retain higher
speeds than you would have obtained from the third-party provider
directly.

Throttling takes place on the backhaul between the Bell equipment in the
CO and their Point-Of-Presence to the upstream ISPs.  Third-party ISPs
typically separate at the POP, connecting to their own services.  For
most third-party providers the POP is at 1 Front Street in Toronto, at
http://www.torix.net/

--Bob


[*] I Am Not A Network Technician, But Would Play One On TV



On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 21:01 -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Kyle Spaans <3lucid at gmail.com> wrote:
>         > It's 5Mbit.  I couldn't get the 10Mbit.  They may upgrade
>         the C/O my
>         > DSLAM is in in the future, which will allow me to go to
>         10Mbps.
>         
>         
>         Hmm, I would suspect that you can still be throttled in that
>         case. I talked to
>         a local guy who does server colo and business internet
>         services and he said
>         that unless you're hooked up to the non-Bell DSLAM in the CO
>         or Remote
>         Office then that's where Bell is going to throttle you.
>         
>         I'm not saying you're lying about not noticing any
>         throttling :), but please
>         keep and eye out and let us know -- I'm very curious.
> 
> Yak runs their own DSLAM, and hence Bell cannot throttle anything.
> 
> In Colin's case, it is his home's distance to the CO that is the
> issue, not
> Bell throttling.
> 
> -- 
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