[kwlug-disc] Job offer: J2EE Software Development Manager

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Thu Mar 12 17:30:19 EDT 2009

Oksana Goertzen wrote, On 03/12/2009 3:40 PM:
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Chris Irwin <chris at chrisirwin.ca 
> <mailto:chris at chrisirwin.ca>> wrote:
>     On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:42, Robert P. J. Day
>     <rpjday at crashcourse.ca <mailto:rpjday at crashcourse.ca>> wrote:
>      >  just to be clear, i think it's great if a local person lands a
>      > linux job.
> Uh.. but don't we get into the whole 'money is dirty' conundrum if we
> start asking for donations from companies who want to leverage our
> community?  I see the 'payback' to us - the LUG - is that companies
> looking for Linux talent, come to us first.  Maybe we need someone
> to screen people who want to post to the list for Linux-related jobs
> so we don't get all manner of junk being posted, but for legitimate
> positions - do we want to start accepting or worse, requiring donations
> for postings?

L.D. Paniak wrote, On 03/12/2009 3:59 PM:
 > Too many questions.  Not important to the functioning on the LUG =>
 > avoid them.

Oksana and Lori put it well.

I have said before that there is little awareness (content?) in this 
list with respect to who in K-W uses Linux. Particularly businesses, 
groups, charities, etc. I would welcome more "Hey, we use Linux too!" 
messages from such in this list. Messages passed along from job 
hunters, given their current low level, are welcome.

As has been essentially pointed out, technically, the 'LUG' part of 
'K-W LUG' is well represented. I don't think the same is true for the 
'K-W' part. Not, for the most part, because it's unwelcome, but 
because they're just not participating. (I've yet to figure out how to 
reach out to them, mostly because I've yet to figure out how to 
identify them.) Job notices are part of the community.

If messages are inappropriate, the list moderators can delete them.

I am reminded from the Asterisk thread just how low-key John keeps 
NetDirect. His technical posts are from 'John'. His offers of help are 
from 'John' - I had to remember behind that offer of help from 'John' 
was 'NetDirect'. It's the first time I can remember thinking that. 
i.e. I know NetDirect is out there, I seldom remember in just what 
ways /services. For the Asterisk thread I finally thought to go over 
to the NetDirect site and look.

	In this case of 'John' and 'NetDirect', I think a slightly more 
blatant "We're here if you're interested / we do that." presence would 
not only be appropriate, it would be welcome. He has demonstrated, 
repeatedly, a sensitivity to hobbyist, low income, or do-it-myself 
posters, and responded with personal assistance on that level. Not 
with "Let's do a deal and I'll tell you."

	'John', and 'NetDirect' are significant contributors both to the 
'LUG' and to 'K-W'. Witness OnLinux. Being judiciously reminded that 
NetDirect is in our 'K-W' 'community', I welcome. As I do job 
postings. Both reflect the presence, or lack of, Linux in our 'K-W' 
LUG community.

I would welcome so much list presence that a "K-W Marketplace", "K-W 
Linux Community", or "K-W Linux Environment" spin-off list would be up 
for serious consideration. But we're not there yet.

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