[kwlug-disc] What is all this about systemd?

[Ralph Janke]

I am not sure, but I think what I was somewhat hinting about
was the paradox in it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_paradox

-tx

On 2014-11-19 22:50, Darcy Casselman wrote:
> Condorcet is a ranked ballot, and it's a favourite of voting system
> nerds.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method [2]
> 
> There are lots of reasons why "choosing one of N options" is a
> terrible voting system, but that's beyond the scope of this mailing
> list.  But I encourage you to ask Bob sometime. :)
> 
> Darcy.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:49 PM, William Park <opengeometry at yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 04:31:06PM -0500, Hubert Chathi wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:26:06 -0500, Ralph Janke
>> <txwikinger at ubuntu.com> said:
>>> 
>>> > I think one big issue (like with lots of things in Democracy)
>> is the
>>> > way the vote has been set up. Besides, that it does not make
>> sense
>>> > that all 4 options pass majority, ... Option 1 and 2 (Mandatory
>> /
>>> > Recommended not to require one init system) should be seen in
>> context,
>>> > so if I read the numbers right, Option 1 & Option 2 together
>> had more
>>> > votes than option 4 (no GR required)
>>> 
>>> I think that you are misunderstanding the voting system that
>> Debian
>>> uses. Debian uses a Condorcet method, which can be seen as a
>>> simultaneous pairwise vote on all the options. In essence, each
>> vote
>>> encodes the voter's preference between any to options. The
>> winner is
>>> the option that wins all the pairwise votes. So you cannot add
>> the
>>> numbers for two options together to compare to a third option,
>> because
>>> the voting method already compares each pair of options together.
>> i.e.,
>>> the voting method already determined that option 4 is preferred
>> over
>>> option 1, and option 4 is preferred over option 2. If you try to
>> add
>>> votes together, you would be counting some votes (i.e. any vote
>> that
>>> ranks both option 1 and option 2 above FD) twice.
>>> 
>>> It's a pretty awesome voting system, and once you get used to it,
>>> everything else seems suboptimal.
>> 
>> You just lost me. I don't understand why you need 2D table for
>> vote.
>> I thought voting is choosing one of N options.
>> --
>> William
>> 
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