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I don't know anything about Terraform, so I don't understand what you guys are going on about, but I did see in HN that there's a new fork of Terraform:</div>
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<a target="_blank" id="LPUrlAnchor301496" href="https://opentf.org/announcement" style="text-decoration: none;">OpenTF created a fork of Terraform!</a></div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org> on behalf of Mikalai Birukou <mb@3nsoft.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 August 2023 23:07<br>
<b>To:</b> kwlug-disc@kwlug.org <kwlug-disc@kwlug.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kwlug-disc] Terraform licensing</font>
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<p>Jason, would you give a presentation, since this is so timely? Even in September?<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2023-08-27 08:25, Jason Eckert wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ah yes - Pulumi relies on vanilla YAML, which is nicer for developers, SREs and others overall in my opinion.
<div>One thing I noticed moving to Pulumi is that the learning curve is less to get started (something Hashicorp struggles with in general). For example, there are easy-to-actually-use YAML templates for each major cloud provider you can use right away.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 at 21:44, Raymond Chen <<a href="mailto:raymondchen625@gmail.com" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id="OWA7ce4aff8-6f83-d5bf-5f54-83f4d968863a">raymondchen625@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I took a glance at Pulumi. It's interesting. Is its configuration language pure YAML or something similar to HCL in Terraform?
<div>A fun comparison of open issues on GitHub: Terraform: 3.7k vs Pulumi 1.7k</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 8:48 PM Chris Frey <<a href="mailto:cdfrey@foursquare.net" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id="OWA7e8a6b7f-9e29-c5f7-f25e-54855b19d5ec">cdfrey@foursquare.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Perhaps as usual, the "bad news" is actually good news. :-)<br>
I'll have to take a look!<br>
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On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 08:06:43PM -0400, Jason Eckert wrote:<br>
> Pulumi is very good - long story short, it does everything Terraform does<br>
> (at least what we need it to do), and it's definitely much easier to work<br>
> with.<br>
> Oh, and it's got far better support for Kubernetes in general.<br>
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> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 at 20:00, Chris Frey <<a href="mailto:cdfrey@foursquare.net" class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id="OWA02b6c335-7937-a744-1776-6bf1bf7fa105">cdfrey@foursquare.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 01:22:49PM -0400, Jason Eckert wrote:<br>
> > > The Internet commentary about this move will merely serve to describe<br>
> > what<br>
> > > is already happening: organizations (mine included) are moving from<br>
> > > Terraform to something else (in our case, Pulumni).<br>
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> > What do you think of Pulumni? Looks more code-based, which is<br>
> > interesting.<br>
> ><br>
> > - Chris<br>
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