<div dir="ltr"><div>I'm going to offer my $0.02 on behalf of the old guys in the group (I think I might be one of them).. I don't have a preference for either site but I do have a shopping list of what I would personally look for if I was left in charge of finding a site... cue the Grumpy Guy music soundtrack...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Please have parking. Prefer free, but cheap is ok if necessary.</div><div><br></div><div>Please, no stairs.. Before I discovered a good spot on Duke St. to park, I had to use the parking garage at Market Square. One night I got locked in the parking garage stairwell and ended up going up and down all the floors a couple of times before I could get free. Thankfully I had my asthma puffer with me, but there were a few moments when I wasn't sure if they'd find my body in the morning.</div><div><br></div><div>Good wi-fi is always nice as I like to take notes on my laptop and upload them as I go, or sometimes I want to research more about the evening's topics.</div><div><br></div><div>Having a desktop surface that will hold my laptop, and a place to plug it in as it has an old battery is also nice.</div><div><br></div><div>I realize that I'm asking a lot here, so I do bang my head on the floor for our meeting organizers and the hard work that they do. I talked to my wife and we agreed that when we win the megabazillions lottery we will build a meeting/maker/hangout nerd building that KWLUG can use for free. Fair deal?</div><div><br></div><div>Cranky.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 at 08:50, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
I understand that this is the August lull and many people are on<br>
vacation, but does anybody who is around have opinions on one meeting<br>
location vs the other? I feel I have a preference but do not want to<br>
poison the discussion.<br>
<br>
- Paul<br>
<br>
On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 09:36:45AM -0400, Paul Nijjar wrote:<br>
> At this point we have two potential meeting locations. Thanks to the<br>
> KWLUG members who offered them. I am trying to keep their identities<br>
> confidential, but they can out themselves if they wish.<br>
> <br>
> Now the question is which (if either) we choose, and how we make that<br>
> decision. As a first step I am posting a writeup below, in the hopes<br>
> it will provoke some discussion and opinions. I also have<br>
> some pictures, but I have not posted them anywhere. If there are<br>
> particular things you want to see then let me know.<br>
> <br>
> If you have thoughts/preferences/opinions you can post them here or<br>
> send them directly to me. In a week I will summarize what I heard.<br>
> <br>
> August's meeting will be online. September is up in the air, but it is<br>
> plausible that could be the first in-person (or hybrid?) meeting. <br>
> <br>
> - Paul<br>
> <br>
> KWLUG Meeting Locations<br>
> =======================<br>
> <br>
> 100 Garment Street<br>
> ------------------<br>
> <br>
> This is a community meeting room on the third floor of a condo. A<br>
> KWLUG member lives in the building and has agreed to host us each<br>
> month.<br>
> <br>
> The building is a 5-10 minute walk from Victoria and King in<br>
> Kitchener, so is close to downtown.<br>
> <br>
> Capacity: 15 people comfortably, 20 at most. The space is pretty small<br>
> and there is furniture there we cannot move.<br>
> <br>
> Availability: There is no formal booking system, so there is some<br>
> chance we could be displaced. However, the host thinks this is not<br>
> likely. <br>
> <br>
> Reliability: We are reliant on the host to be present for every<br>
> meeting.<br>
> <br>
> Access: The building is wheelchair accessible. To get to the meeting<br>
> room one has to be let in the door (there is controlled access) and go<br>
> up an elevator. It is not clear whether we can put up signs on meeting<br>
> nights, but the host thinks it may be possible.<br>
> <br>
> Internet: There is public wifi, and possibly a second wifi we can use for<br>
> streaming. There is no wired internet available.<br>
> <br>
> Parking: Parking onsite is expensive. There is an underground parking<br>
> garage which costs $2.50 for 30 minutes, so the average KWLUG attendee<br>
> can expect to pay $12.50 per meeting. There is a small amount of<br>
> on-street parking on Oak Street, and some parking available in<br>
> downtown Kitchener.<br>
> <br>
> Transit: there is an LRT station at Victoria and King St.<br>
> <br>
> Streaming/Equipment: We would have to provide a projector, and<br>
> whatever equipment we want to use for streaming. The host may be able<br>
> to store some equipment at their condo, but maybe not a lot.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> University of Waterloo Dana Porter Library<br>
> ------------------------------------------<br>
> <br>
> This is a classroom space in the Dana Porter library ("the sugar<br>
> cube") at the University of Waterloo. The specific space is LIB 329.<br>
> It is being offered by a KWLUG member who works at the university.<br>
> <br>
> Capacity: 30+ people. It is a full classroom with row seating.<br>
> <br>
> Availability: It should be fairly reliably available, although there<br>
> is no booking system. There are other classrooms we might be able to<br>
> use if we are displaced.<br>
> <br>
> Reliability: Unclear. We are probably reliant on a UW employee to host<br>
> us. The proposing host has offered to host us, or help look for<br>
> replacements if they are unable to attend. There are a few other<br>
> people who work at UW. <br>
> <br>
> Access: The building is wheelchair accessible. There are elevators to<br>
> the space. We will probably not be able to put up signs. <br>
> <br>
> Internet: There is wifi available that requires a name and email to use.<br>
> People who are affiliated with a university can use Eduroam.<br>
> There may be some chance of getting our own SSID but this is unlikely.<br>
> Wired network for streaming might be possible, but is not arranged.<br>
> <br>
> Parking: There is no free parking anywhere near UW. There are paid<br>
> parking lots for $5/evening.<br>
> <br>
> Transit: there is an LRT station at the university. <br>
> <br>
> Streaming/Equipment: There is a projector with HDMI input. We would<br>
> have to provide other streaming equipment, and carry it back and forth<br>
> to meetings.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Unlikely Locations<br>
> ------------------<br>
> <br>
> ### Community Hub at St John's the Evangelist<br>
> <br>
> This is not available Monday evenings. It could be a possibility if <br>
> we were willing to switch meeting nights.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ### SDG Hub in Downtown Kitchener<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> This is a new space. The booking fee for the large room is $400/hour.<br>
> There is a smaller room for less, but they currently do not do evening<br>
> bookings.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ### Public library spaces<br>
> <br>
> These may be available but not reliability. Prices vary from $50 at<br>
> some remote libraries in Kitchener (eg Forest Heights), to $150 for<br>
> two hours at the Waterloo Public Library.<br>
> <br>
> ### Churches, Public Schools<br>
> <br>
> In addition to a booking fee we would need to purchase liability<br>
> insurance. This may be possible but it seemed frustrating the last<br>
> time we looked because we are not a registered organization.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ### KWartzlab<br>
> <br>
> The space is inaccessible (on the second floor) and there are no large<br>
> meeting spaces (maybe 15 people at most?). A KWartzlab member would<br>
> have to host.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Other Places to Investigate<br>
> ---------------------------<br>
> <br>
> ### Workhaus or other coworking spaces<br>
> <br>
> This would likely be expensive, but may be worth investigating.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ### Restaurants<br>
> <br>
> This is likely not reliable, and there would be an expectation that<br>
> people purchase food and drink.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ### The Working Centre<br>
> <br>
> The Queen St Commons building has hosted a few events since the end of<br>
> the pandemic, but Paul no longer has strong connections there. The<br>
> space is also somewhat inaccessible, although there are ramps at the<br>
> back.<br>
> <br>
> St John's Kitchen is probably out of the question. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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