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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-06-16 14:14, CrankyOldBugger
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        <div>If you guys are interested in the two big bills that are
          floating around Ottawa right now, one about the internet and
          Cancon (I'm over-simplifying here) and the other about users'
          privacy, then you should follow lawyer<span
            class="gmail-css-901oao gmail-css-16my406 gmail-css-bfa6kz
            gmail-r-poiln3 gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-qvutc0"><span
              class="gmail-css-901oao gmail-css-16my406 gmail-r-poiln3
              gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-qvutc0"> Michael Geist (<span
                class="gmail-css-901oao gmail-css-16my406 gmail-r-poiln3
                gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-qvutc0">@mgeist on Twitter). 
                He's "the guy" when it comes to Cdn internet/privacy/etc
                laws.</span></span></span></div>
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        <div>(I'm on Twitter at <span class="gmail-css-901oao
            gmail-css-16my406 gmail-r-poiln3 gmail-r-bcqeeo
            gmail-r-qvutc0">@rjeffsmith2010 if you're interested in
            ho-hum stuff..)</span></div>
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    <p>Comparison of original C-11 vs C-27 (from <span
        class="gmail-css-901oao gmail-css-16my406 gmail-css-bfa6kz
        gmail-r-poiln3 gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-qvutc0"><span
          class="gmail-css-901oao gmail-css-16my406 gmail-r-poiln3
          gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-qvutc0"><span class="gmail-css-901oao
            gmail-css-16my406 gmail-r-poiln3 gmail-r-bcqeeo
            gmail-r-qvutc0">@mgeist on Twitter):</span></span></span></p>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 1:50
          PM Doug Moen <<a href="mailto:doug@moens.org"
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          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On
          Thu, Jun 16, 2022, at 12:15 PM, William Park via kwlug-disc
          wrote:<br>
          > No one is gonna get fired over this.  So, don't worry
          about it.<br>
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          The Ontario Personal Health Information Protection Act<br>
            <a
href="https://www.ipc.on.ca/health-individuals/file-a-health-privacy-complaint/your-health-privacy-rights-in-ontario/"
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            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ipc.on.ca/health-individuals/file-a-health-privacy-complaint/your-health-privacy-rights-in-ontario/</a><br>
          gives me the right to<br>
           * be informed of the reasons for the collection, use and
          disclosure of your personal health information<br>
           * refuse or give consent to the collection, use or disclosure
          of your personal health information, except in certain
          circumstances<br>
          <br>
          In the early days, patients were asked to give informed
          consent, consistent with the law. I would be given a form to
          sign that explicitly mentioned that information was being
          collected, and that I had right of refusal.<br>
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          Now, nobody is being informed of the fact of collection, or of
          their right of refusal. This is prima facie illegal, according
          to the statement of principles on the web site I liked. And
          people don't care that their civil rights are being slowly
          eroded. "Don't worry about it", as you say. This process of
          civil rights erosion doesn't end well, it ends up with what's
          going on the United States, or worse. A generation of people
          are growing up, under a constant stream of propaganda from the
          surveillance capitalists, that privacy doesn't matter, and
          that privacy is the enemy of "convenience". And that worries
          me.<br>
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          Like for example, we just bought a new washing machine and
          dryer. The top selling brand transmits everything you do to
          the manufacturer over the internet. For now, this is opt in,
          but internet surveillance already cannot be turned off for a
          growing number of consumer machines and appliances. We bought
          a less popular brand with no surveillance, because that's
          something that's still available.<br>
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          Remember that Canadian government petition circulated earlier
          on the mailing list, about consumer data privacy and the right
          to repair? I signed it.</blockquote>
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