<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, at 17:19, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>Have you seen today vote machines?<br></div><div><br></div><div>I've asked a guy who fed the machine with paper ballots: counting of <br></div><div>paper will occur if total numbers don't match. As long as your hack <br></div><div>keeps total same, only shifting distribution of votes no one will do <br></div><div>recount of paper.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Is it true, or will manual counting of paper happen to confirm <br></div><div>completely fast numbers that machine does?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's probably the only automated recount method -- If we fed in 1000 ballots, but only got 999 votes, then a recount is required.<br></div><div><br></div><div>According to the Election Act, all recounts must be manual.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><b>74.1 </b>A recount that is made from the actual ballots shall be
conducted manually, even if the original count was done by vote counting
equipment. 2010, c. 7, s. 31.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Reference: https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90e06#BK195<br></div><div><br></div><div>Presumably, if your local election results differ significantly from polls (or the election was close), affected parties would challenge the results, thus triggering a manual recount.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I wonder if there are statistics on electronic vs manual counts, or how spoiled ballots affect counts in the electronic machines.<br></div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, I'm not opposed to electronic *counting* of votes, as long as there is an original paper ballot for manual recounts if warranted. I absolutely oppose purely electronic voting (ex: touchscreens).<br></div><div><br></div><div id="sig91988184"><div class="signature">-- <br></div><div class="signature"><b>Chris Irwin</b><br></div><div class="signature"><br></div><div class="signature"><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo, consolas, monospace, sans-serif;">email: chris@chrisirwin.ca</span><br></div><div class="signature"><span class="font" style="font-family:menlo, consolas, monospace, sans-serif;"> web: <a href="https://chrisirwin.ca">https://chrisirwin.ca</a></span><br></div></div><div><br></div></body></html>