<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>Quant has its own web index, so is a true alternative to bing and google. Use !qw in DDG. It is supported by the French government. Russian media disinformation is deranked. Searches for youtube-dl do not yield the home page, as with most search engines, other than DDG and google. Microsoft ads. I got good results for a search that DDG and google failed. Would use again.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ecosia uses Bing, and gets revenue from Bing advertising. Youtube-dl.org does not appear in first page of results for a youtube-dl search, like DDG before they fixed this. But the Wikipedia page came first, which compensates. I got an obtrusive cookie banner when I tried to use it.</div><div><br></div><div>Yacy sounds very cool and indie but my search results for 'signed distance field' were useless random nonsense.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for mentioning Qwant.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Doug.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, Apr 22, 2022, at 3:11 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div>So while I think my original post of needing a new search engine isn't as urgent or critical as I first thought, I was catching up on my reading last night when I noticed that the August 2021 edition of Linux Magazine USA had an article (called "Alternative Engines" ) about basically the same stuff that we were talking about. They listed the following search engines, with a discussion of how each one respects privacy:<br></div><div><br></div><div><ol><li>DuckDuckGo: <a href="https://duckduckgo.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://duckduckgo.com/</a><br></li><li>Qwant: <a href="https://www.qwant.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.qwant.com/</a><br></li><li>Ecosia: <a href="https://www.ecosia.org/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.ecosia.org/</a><br></li><li>Ecosia financial reports: <a href="https://blog.ecosia.org/ecosia-financial-reports-tree-planting-receipts/" target="_blank" class="">https://blog.ecosia.org/ecosia-financial-reports-tree-planting-receipts/</a><br></li><li>YaCy: <a href="https://yacy.net" target="_blank">https://yacy.net</a><br></li><li>YaCy demo page: <a href="https://yacy.net/demonstration_tutorial_screenshot/" target="_blank" class="">https://yacy.net/demonstration_tutorial_screenshot/</a><br></li><li>Searx: <a href="https://searx.space/" target="_blank" class="">https://searx.space/</a><br></li><li>Searx search engines: <a href="https://searx.github.io/searx/admin/engines.html" target="_blank">https://searx.github.io/searx/admin/engines.html</a><br></li><li>Searx installation document: <a href="https://searx.github.io/searx/admin/installation.html" target="_blank">https://searx.github.io/searx/admin/installation.html</a><br></li><li>Download Searx: <a href="https://github.com/searx/searx.git" target="_blank">https://github.com/searx/searx.git</a><br></li><li>YaCy on GitHub: <a href="https://github.com/yacy/yacy_search_server" target="_blank">https://github.com/yacy/yacy_search_server</a><br></li></ol></div><div><br></div><div>You can find the article at <a href="https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2021/249/Search-Engines/(language)/eng-US">https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2021/249/Search-Engines/(language)/eng-US</a> (I won't post the whole article here for copywrite reasons; we don't want Paul getting sent to a non-FOSS prison....)<br></div><div><br></div><div>And I have to confess that everytime my poor eyes see "Searx" my brain interprets that as "Sears" and that I need a catalogue...<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:58 PM Chamunks via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>When DDG fails to bring up something I’ve been using Yandex because the Russians couldn’t care less about American opinions about how to run a search engine. I’m pretty tired of algorithms burying inconvenient truths and inconvenient popular opinions. I don’t need my search engine forming opinions for me. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Composed on my smart phone please pardon my brevity. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> > On Apr 19, 2022, at 8:25 PM, Andrew Sullivan Cant - acant at <a href="http://alumni.uwaterloo.ca" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">alumni.uwaterloo.ca</a> <<a href="mailto:reply%2Bhsrvubfburobnwyyqwhddstezcnbyg@simplelogin.co" target="_blank">reply+hsrvubfburobnwyyqwhddstezcnbyg@simplelogin.co</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Agreed on the DDG bang commands! I have been using them since I switched to DDG, and it would be difficult to move to another search engine without that feature.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > One of the reasons that searx seems interesting though, is that it feels a little weird to run ALL my non-DDG search queries through DDG.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > But most of those queries start in DDG, so I think it is just a feeling. :)<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Andrew<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > On 2022-04-16 19:50, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc wrote:<br></div><div> >>> Here's my pitch for DuckDuckGo.<br></div><div> >>> * For some domains, search results are much better than Google. Specifically, the Video and Recipe searches.<br></div><div> >>> * bang operators: <a href="https://duckduckgo.com/bang" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/bang</a><br></div><div> >>> <br></div><div> >>> To do a google search from Duck Duck Go, add !g<br></div><div> >>> Or add !gi for a google image search.<br></div><div> >>> <br></div><div> >>> To do a bing search from DuckDuck Go, add !b<br></div><div> >>> Or !bi for a bing imagdicke search.<br></div><div> >> I love this bang crack to the point of wondering wft, when I happen to be on machine not yet configured with DuckDuckGo.<br></div><div> >> !w, !yt, even !tw are all convenient. And I am just a nano person, not even a vim user, who must have this deep internal productive relationship with shortcuts.<br></div><div> >>> !w does a wikipedia search, so 'youtube download !w' shows 'youtube-dl' as the first hit, and 'comparison of youtube downloaders' as the second hit.<br></div><div> >>> <br></div><div> >>> !r is a reddit search.<br></div><div> >>> <br></div><div> >>> I personally use !gsch a lot, which does a google scholar search (great for finding research papers).<br></div><div> >>> I also use !wikt a lot, which looks up a word in wiktionary (best comprehensive dictionary since the OED).<br></div><div> >>> <br></div><div> >>> So it's like a multi-source search engine, but you have to explicitly specify an alternate source.<br></div><div> >>> It does require some expert knowledge: which sources to use for which searches. Use <a href="https://duckduckgo.com/bang" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/bang</a> to find new sources.<br></div><div> >>> <br></div><div> >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Chris Frey wrote:<br></div><div> >>>> I've been trying Bing lately, giving up on privacy for a bit for now<br></div><div> >>>> in search of the best search results, and so far I've been impressed.<br></div><div> >>>> A few quirks, but I did not expect Microsoft to yield better results<br></div><div> >>>> than Google, yet here we are.<br></div><div> >>>> <br></div><div> >>>> But this Searx idea, with weighted engine options, sounds great...<br></div><div> >>>> maybe I can have my cake and eat it too! Thanks Andrew. :-)<br></div><div> >>>> <br></div><div> >>>> - Chris<br></div><div> >>>> <br></div><div> >>>> <br></div><div> >>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:32:04AM -0400, Andrew Sullivan Cant wrote:<br></div><div> >>>>> This reminded me of the Searx search engine, which sounds interesting but I<br></div><div> >>>>> have not gotten around to looking at.<br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> * <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searx</a><br></div><div> >>>>> * <a href="https://searx.space/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://searx.space/</a><br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> It appears to be a meta-search engine, which you can run locally or use<br></div><div> >>>>> existing mirrors.<br></div><div> >>>>> This means it does not disconnect you from the existing search engines, but<br></div><div> >>>>> might be a useful step removed from them. And provides you with at least an<br></div><div> >>>>> interface which you have more control over.<br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> Its AGPLv3, which is nice.<br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> Has anyone ever user or looked at this?<br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> Oh, sorry I forgot the right terminology for that...<br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> "Dear Lazyweb, ..." :)<br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> Andrew<br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> <a href="https://blog.codinghorror.com/lazyweb-calling/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.codinghorror.com/lazyweb-calling/</a><br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>> On 2022-04-15 22:26, CrankyOldBugger wrote:<br></div><div> >>>>>> Just found out that DuckDuckGo is now a lapdog for the copyright<br></div><div> >>>>>> industry (<a href="https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/04/15/2057253/duckduckgo-removes-pirate-sites-and-youtube-dl-from-its-search-results" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/04/15/2057253/duckduckgo-removes-pirate-sites-and-youtube-dl-from-its-search-results</a> <<a href="https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/04/15/2057253/duckduckgo-removes-pirate-sites-and-youtube-dl-from-its-search-results" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/04/15/2057253/duckduckgo-removes-pirate-sites-and-youtube-dl-from-its-search-results</a>>) <br></div><div> >>>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>>> I mean, really, youtube-dl????<br></div><div> >>>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>>> So I am now in need of a new really-is-private-and-FOSS search engine.<br></div><div> >>>>>> Obviously, Google is out of the question.<br></div><div> >>>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>>> What are the cool kids using these days to protect their rights?<br></div><div> >>>>>> <br></div><div> >>>>>> Thanks!<br></div><div> >> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> >> kwlug-disc mailing list<br></div><div> >> <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br></div><div> >> <a href="https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > _______________________________________________<br></div><div> > kwlug-disc mailing list<br></div><div> > <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br></div><div> > <a href="https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> kwlug-disc mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br></div><div> <a href="https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>kwlug-disc mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org">https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote></body></html>