<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Your idea makes sense.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Ushe, this is what I settled for my distro-trialling laptop, which happens to be a T420 too:-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- T420 with Nvidia Optimus, 16G, upgraded CPU to i7-2670QM, a 256G mSATA SSD and a 500G 2.5" SSD</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- Win10Pro64 installed on the 500G SSD as the "primary" OS(100G partition)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- Mint 20.1 next on a 100G partition,<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- The remaining 300Gig used to do bare-metal installs of whatever to play with</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I find bare-metal installs to be the best way to really put a distro through it's paces.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I had some issues trying the Deepin distro in Virtualbox 6.1-ish and justdecided to do bare-metal installs for trialling.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> Weekly, I blow away something(the "whatever") that I no longer care for using the program called GPARTED. I have done this dozens of times with nary an issue, GRUB does not whine at me for doing so...yet.<br><br>On an aside, I use MX in a USB stick(Live with Persistence) for dealing with issues on Windows and Linux installs.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Ushe, check this link for the T420 Hardware Maintenance Manual here:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><a href="https://support.lenovo.com/ca/en/manuals/um006438-hardware-maintenance-manual-thinkpad-t420-t420i">https://support.lenovo.com/ca/en/manuals/um006438-hardware-maintenance-manual-thinkpad-t420-t420i</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">It is chock full of lovely details about that laptop you have, details like the mSATA socket and all that.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Good luck in your journey, you will have a ton of fun playing around.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks,<br><br>Ron S.<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ushe T <<a href="mailto:ushetaf@gmail.com">ushetaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:initial" lang="en-US"> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div> <p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Thank you all for your input.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">The following is a thought process I have reached based on your recommendations and suggestions so far.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Let me know if it makes sense.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">The goal is to learn Linux and become better at using Linux on a daily basis. Based on the suggestions provided for a new user. I think I will start with Linux Mint.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Which means installing Linux Mint on the Lenovo T420 laptop.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">At the same time, I am thinking of creating VM and installing MX Linux. As per my understanding MX Linux is solid and good distro with great tools.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Regarding Arch. I am thinking that I may tackle Arch Linux using a VM at later stage after gaining some confidence using Linux Mint.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">I read that Arch Linux requires one to pay attention to documentation and the recommended usage tips throughout its usage.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">It seems to me that it may take much longer grasp and learn how Linux really works and understanding how all the components come together through Arch Linux.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Ushe<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt;line-height:initial"> </span></div> <div style="font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone</div> <table style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma,"BB Alpha Sans","Slate Pro";font-size:10pt"> <div><b>From: </b>CrankyOldBugger</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:56 AM</div><div><b>To: </b>KWLUG discussion</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>KWLUG discussion</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kwlug-disc] MX Linux - is it good to install on a laptop</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(186,188,209);font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><br><div id="gmail-m_1911321530170942403_originalContent"><div dir="ltr"><div>I started with Ubuntu, and I still use it today. I've played with Mint, which was also good, but it had some hardware issues in my case, so I did some distro hopping for a while until I settled back with Ubuntu. But to be fair, Mint is usually hardware-friendly. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Fedora is also good, as mentioned by other people in this conversation. If you hope to work with Red Hat in a corporate environment later on, then Fedora is a good starting place. Until recently CentOS would have filled that same role but it's a fading memory at this point. You could keep an eye on the many forks that are popping up now, but they might turn out to be a shell game...<br></div><div><br></div><div>I also agree that new users should avoid Arch or its derivatives. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 11:32, Doug Moen <<a href="mailto:doug@moens.org" target="_blank">doug@moens.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div><div>Speaking as a long time Ubuntu user who has recently started using Fedora, I would recommend an Ubuntu based distro for new users. Fedora lives on the bleeding edge, which is good if you want to be using the latest versions of everything all the time, but it's bad if you don't want to be covered in bandaids from the papercuts. You have to learn how to customize Fedora to get it up to the usability level of the Ubuntu default install. I am specifically not happy with default, uncustomized Gnome desktop running on top of Wayland. Ubuntu customizes Gnome to make it more usable for Mac and Windows users, and defaults to X11 instead of Wayland because Wayland is not ready for general use.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Mint is a highly regarded derivative of Ubuntu that fixes some issues that people have with Ubuntu. It is supposed to be better for beginners, and fixes some ethical/malware concerns, eg concerning the Snap store. I haven't tried Mint, but someone previously recommended it in this thread. <a href="https://itsfoss.com/linux-mint-vs-ubuntu/" target="_blank">https://itsfoss.com/linux-mint-vs-ubuntu/</a></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Nickle, Brian wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="gmail-m_1911321530170942403gmail-m_651309963804160598qt"><div dir="ltr"><div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I am running Manjaro on my original Pinebook because it is the only distro that has active support for this device. I have run into update issues that I have had to manually fix. Manjero still requires you to read the release notes before performing an update. As such I feel it is not very good for new users not as a daily driver anyway.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My recommendation would be to use ubuntu, debian or maybe fedora as a new user. Honestly I think ubuntu has the best mix of good user documentation application repository for new users. All this said I would highly encourage anyone new to linux that wants to truly understand how it works go through the install of arch in a vm building up the system really gives you an understanding of how the parts work together.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My 2 cents<br></div><div>Brian<br></div></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>kwlug-disc mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:kwlug-disc%40kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">https://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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