<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 3:18 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If paper votes were always counted correctly in Belarus in the last 4 to <br>
8 elections, there would be no problem. But they weren't. Mere presence <br>
of Austrian paper vote system doesn't guarantee the happy ending. Hence, <br>
problem exist, may be not in Canada (note, in Belarus every vote has <br>
equal weight, unlike here, leaving only miscounting as a mischief tool).<br>
<br>
Actual change that now takes place in that country was helped by some <br>
tech solutions coupled with mass action. Tech is a tool. Tech is never a <br>
solution to a problem that not all people abide by rules. But tech de <br>
facto helped the defending side. Let me rephrase it, can we have high <br>
tech pitchforks? :)<br clear="all"></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>The problem here is that the system is rigged. It has the appearance that it is</div><div>fair and open, while it is neither. The reason is a dictator who refuses to cede</div><div>power and manipulates the voting process to get his way. <br></div><div><br></div><div>The problem here is not voting, it is the power grip, which will corrupt any</div><div>voting system (paper or computerized) to get the same result. <br></div><div><br></div><div>As an example, Egypt before the 2011 uprising had similar problems: voting</div><div>was rigged at many levels, starting with requiring special government issued</div><div>IDs to be eligible to vote, to excluding candidates who are not aligned with <br></div><div>the government but have a chance to win (imprisonment the month before</div><div>the election, and released after it is over), to centralized ballot counting (and</div><div>boxes were discarded and swapped en route), to a rigged parliament that put</div><div>obstacles for someone to run for president (must get a majority of votes in</div><div>parliament or other impossible conditions).</div><div><br></div><div>Most of that changed over a few weeks, when people rose to depose Mubarak.</div><div>No special voting ID was needed. The regular ID that everyone has was valid.</div><div>Everyone was registered to vote by default. No insurmountable conditions for</div><div>someone to run for president. Distributed ballot counting (in sito, with all <br></div><div>representatives present), and so on.</div><div><br></div><div>That worked for the 2012 elections, which were mostly fair and open. <br></div><div><br></div><div>But quickly the military got their act together and with intimidation and exclusion</div><div>managed to leave most of these measures in place, but again exclude candidates</div><div>that have a chance to win.</div><div><br></div><div>What will happen down the line? Perhaps another uprising, in due time. <br></div><div><br></div><div>But the point here is that: don't expect dictators to follow the rules if they</div><div>are the ones making them, and they ones gaming them. Belarus has momentum</div><div>in the streets that may change that. I hope it does, and that it is long lasting, <br></div><div>unlike Egypt. <br></div></div>