<div id="geary-body" dir="auto"><div>I've been using Ubuntu 20.04 pretty much since release at the end of April on my main desktop for school and play, and honestly I generally forget snaps are even installed. Given, I'm using a pretty high end desktop, but still snaps don't get in the way and I haven't found any programs I use on a daily basis to be snap-ified unless they're incompatible otherwise (ie cherrytree because no python 2 anymore). </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, Canonical might be pushing a bit hard with the whole snap thing, but honestly between snap, flatpak, and native packages I can get absolutely everything I need to get work done every day, and it all works like a well oiled machine and has been since day one.</div></div><div id="geary-quote" dir="auto"><br>On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 2:22 pm, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc@kwlug.org> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="plaintext" style="white-space: pre-wrap;">
In my experience with 20.04 so far, Chromium is the only package I
noticed that has been replaced with a Snap. Khalid or others who use
20.04 more extensively may know more, though.
- Paul
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 01:45:15PM -0400, Doug Moen wrote:
<blockquote> I'm deciding how to upgrade my Ubuntu 18.04 LTS desktop.
One issue is that I use ZFS and rely on Ubuntu's ZFS packaging. Most distribution don't support ZFS, so you have to roll your own. Another issue is that I have an nvidea GPU.
Options:
Ubuntu 20.04, but remove Snap.
Pop OS 20.04. No support for ZFS on root or automatic filesystem snapshot on package install. But I could roll my own using BTRFS on root. My existing ZFS array is supported. Pop has some features i'd like to try, such as tiling window mode, and a flat pack app store. No snap and good nvidea support.
Doug.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> In another thread, Paul said:
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:51 PM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:
>> Clearly LTS is losing, which means a lot more cognitive burdens for
>> sysadmins -- but at the same time Salt (and many other projects) that
>> use the rolling release "move fast and break things" approach depend
>> upon a stable Ubuntu onto which they can build THEIR software. They
>> just don't want the people USING Salt to have the same experience.
>> There is some kind of disconnect here.
>>
>> In this case the situation is worse. Ubuntu included the
>> salt-master in its LTS release. Ubuntu 18.04 is still supported. But
>> the LTS release promise is now broken, because if somebody installs
>> Salt from the Ubuntu repos they will get software with a level 10 CVE.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I think this means I ought to track upstream and use
>> their repos, which is another administrative headache I wanted to
>> avoid. It also means that I would now need to upgrade all my minions to
>> track the latest release, and who knows what that will break.
>
> Paul,
>
> I am in complete agreement with you here. I don't use Salt, but I know
> that I want to stay with LTS releases, feeling secure. This depends on
> repository governance and stewardship by those who maintain the
> packages and the distro's security team.
>
> Lately, there have been cases where the ball was dropped (Salt is such
> a case).
>
> More worrying is that going forward, Canonical is forging ahead with snap.
> Snap freezes the dependencies of an app at a certain point. Moreover, it
> requires a cluttered file system, with each app having its own /snap/xxx
> file system mounted!
>
> On a new 20.04 LTS server install, I am getting these snap apps by default:
>
> /dev/loop0 72M 72M 0 100% /snap/lxd/15682
> /dev/loop3 97M 97M 0 100% /snap/core/9436
> /dev/loop1 72M 72M 0 100% /snap/lxd/15766
>
> And Canonical will be releasing Chrome/Chromium as a snap package,
> encapsulated withing a .deb. This means Canonical is acting as an intermediary
> unnecessarily.
>
> Mint decided that enough is enough, and will not support snap anymore.
>
> <a href="https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-mint-dumps-ubuntu-snap/">https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-mint-dumps-ubuntu-snap/</a>
>
> All this makes me wonder whether Ubuntu should still be the favoured distro
> with LTS and rich maintained repos. Should I go with Debian stable and be
> done with it?
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