<div dir="ltr"><div>What irks me out more than the masks thing, is the travel advisories. The PHAC listed only</div><div>China and Iran at the time, and there were daily cases coming in from Italy, Egypt and the <br></div><div>USA.</div><div><br></div><div>On March 10th, I contacted the local health unit, saying that this is unacceptable, and they <br></div><div>said: sorry, we follow the advice from PHAC. So I contacted PHAC and got no reply at all. <br></div><div><br></div><div>There were travelers arriving at Pearson on TV and they said they were not asked anything</div><div>nor given any advice to do anything ...</div><div><br></div><div>This is what made things much worse. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Epidemiologists say there are two rules: a) doing something is better than doing nothing, <br></div><div>and b) acting fast is key. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I think Canada was too lax with travel restrictions.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:24 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Glimpse of doctor speaking: <a href="https://youtu.be/rleNXGo9_O8?t=45" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/rleNXGo9_O8?t=45</a></p>
<p>So:<br>
</p>
<p>1) Government acted like soviets in Chernobyl, except that even
less excuses are possible now.</p>
<p>2) Populace notices.</p>
<p>3) There is "domestic t...ts" designation to use in
post-Chernobyl fallout.<br>
</p>
<p>Let's remind to ourselves wise words of George (T)Orwell:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EEa0HAqzQ" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EEa0HAqzQ</a><br>
</p>
<div>On 2020-04-08 8:30 p.m., Khalid
Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
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<div>Viruses are very tiny. In fact, that is how they were first
discovered: a scientist</div>
<div>who was studying the tobacco mosaic disease macerated
infected leaves, then</div>
<div>passed the solution through a fine filter that prevents
bacteria from passing through</div>
<div>(those are made from ceramic or other finely porous
material). The resulting liquid</div>
<div>still infected healthy leaves. He concluded that there is a
tiny organism causing it</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Decades later, when the electron microscope allowed seeing
things that are the</div>
<div>visible spectrum does not show. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I agree that masks will help. This particular viruses
is produced in the respiratory</div>
<div>tract, and therefore spread by droplets. Even a cloth mask
stops some of that aerosol. <br>
</div>
<div>Think of a show fence, or droplets absorbed into the cloth.
Something is better than <br>
</div>
<div>nothing. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Remember the saying: "Perfect is the enemy of good enough".<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My wife sewed some unused T-shirts into masks, with a paper
clip for it to fit on the <br>
</div>
<div>nose, and we use them when we go out. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 8:19 PM
Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It
seems that starting from yesterday we should wear masks: <br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UuJyZA9MCU" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UuJyZA9MCU</a><br>
<br>
<fume><br>
<br>
No, the laws of physics, chemistry and biology haven't
changed. I am <br>
having flashes of memory to how soviets were handling
Chernobyl. WTF?<br>
<br>
</fume><br>
<br>
Initially argument was that mask won't completely protect.
Reminder that <br>
95 in N95 stands for a percentage. Anything infront your face
will <br>
reduce chances of getting stuff. Its like security in depth,
no measure <br>
is 100% reliable, but put together, and you are much better
off.<br>
<br>
Now I wonder how much slower virus would have spread, if on
March 1st <br>
we've heard wear bandanas and leave other masks to medical
stuff.<br>
<br>
First, its more difficult to touch face when in mask.<br>
<br>
Second, mask is a reminder about new behaviour to yourself and
to <br>
others, right in the face.<br>
<br>
Its like security in depth, like additional egress filtering
and digital <br>
hygiene. Not perfect, but let us go a long way.<br>
<br>
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