<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I never could understand why otherwise rational design team leaders are not able to resist the tug of staying at the forefront of port adoption.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">A tortured way of saying, why not stick with a barrel type connector for power? <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">So much more robust. Or if one needs to be hip with the kids, at least implement USB-C correctly, take a page from a Lenovo or HP USB-C-powered laptop's implementation. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Going from a single full-sized HDMI port to dual Micro-HDMI ports is beyond comprehension. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Pi is supposed to be easy-to-implement, easy-to-expand, cheap.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> MicroHDMI-HDMI adapters are not cheap, MicroHDMI-HDMI cables are not cheap. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Who needs dual HDMI on a Pi4??? <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Every Pi3 person I know complains about the lackluster CPU performance, lack of USB3, SATA, little RAM. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I would have though that the Pi folks would have just stuck with faster CPU/more RAM and USB3 as primary goals. <br>Sigh. I think Pi4 is a miss, perhaps Version2 might be a rethink.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks,<br><br>Ron Singh<br><br></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:41 PM Khalid Baheyeldin <<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com">kb@2bits.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I agree with Doug here. A successful standard is one that is foolproof to implement. <br></div><div>A standard that is ambiguous, confusing, or too complex is a nightmare. <br></div><div><br></div><div>The fact that two companies failed to implement it correctly, one fairly large and <br></div><div>experienced, and the other has lots of experience too, is proof that the standard,</div><div>as it is currently written, is a failure. <br></div><div><br></div><div>And this is not the first time. Remember when we had USB Hi-Speed, SuperSpeed, <br></div><div>and all these meaningless designations? This confusion did not last long though, so <br></div><div>I hope that USB-C settles down too.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Doug Moen <<a href="mailto:doug@moens.org" target="_blank">doug@moens.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div><div>My take is that the USB-C standard is really messed up. The fact that it is so difficult to implement correctly is a warning sign. There was also that case of substandard USB-C cables sold on Amazon physically destroying your laptop when used for recharging.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/google-engineer-finds-usb-type-c-cable-thats-so-bad-it-fried-his-chromebook-pixel/" target="_blank">https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/google-engineer-finds-usb-type-c-cable-thats-so-bad-it-fried-his-chromebook-pixel/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt"><p>There is a saying: "Many problems have two solutions. One is
obvious, simple and ... wrong."<br></p><p>Apparently USB-C problem of putting analog circuit is a problem
of this kind. There is a solution with one resistor instead of two
(as article mentions) which incorrectness is not obvious
(especially with blinding "we saved one resistor!"). Nintendo guys
stepped into this. Raspberry guys stepped into this. And may be
even Apple guys did with some of their dongles, as commented in
Nintendo article <a href="https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/nintendo-warns-against-using-substandard-switch-charging-cables/?comments=1&post=35114343" class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank">https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/nintendo-warns-against-using-substandard-switch-charging-cables/?comments=1&post=35114343</a> .<br></p><p>Being on a weekend, I am simply amazed at complexities present in
this world, and that we, humans, are tackling them nevertheless.
Wow!<br></p><div class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-08-03 10:07 a.m.,
CrankyOldBugger wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>I'm sure that we'll be seeing the Raspi 4 B v2 or something
soon. They have good engineers working there.<br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_quote"><div class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 10:06,
Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_quote"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>This speaks to the power of open design: someone else
found a bug and pointed it out.<br></p><div class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail-m_3259130707612278381moz-cite-prefix">On
2019-08-03 12:13 a.m., Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Eben Upton confirmed that there are mistakes in
implementing the standard(s) for USB-C.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/raspberry-pi-4-uses-incorrect-usb-c-design-wont-work-with-some-chargers/" target="_blank">https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/raspberry-pi-4-uses-incorrect-usb-c-design-wont-work-with-some-chargers/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_quote"><div class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019
at 12:09 AM CrankyOldBugger <<a href="mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com" target="_blank">crankyoldbugger@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div>You need to watch what USB cables you use
with the Raspi 4, though. Apparently the RP4 is
having problems with smart cables: <a href="https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/raspberry-pi-4-usb-c-cable-issue-confirmed/" target="_blank">https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/raspberry-pi-4-usb-c-cable-issue-confirmed/</a><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_quote"><div class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Aug
2019 at 20:35, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc
<<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail_quote"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>Raspberry PI 4 is coming out, with same arm
cores as helm, but with 4GB of RAM. Finally
USB 3, and dual HDMI.<br></p><p><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-4-b,6193.html" class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail-m_3259130707612278381gmail-m_2483243449400429687gmail-m_-8716838665318454811moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank">https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-4-b,6193.html</a><br></p><p><br></p><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div><div><br></div><pre class="gmail-m_-3923568067929360551gmail-m_-4677086425748758025qt-gmail-m_3259130707612278381moz-quote-pre">_______________________________________________
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