<div dir="ltr">Ron<div><br></div><div>If you care about speed, then neither CPU nor cache is likely to be very important. Having SDD instead of HDD will make a large difference, and so will having more RAM.</div><div><br></div><div>A 2011 model is not supported any more by MacOS Mojave, the current OS version. That's fine, as you can use High Sierra instead, but it's a point to consider.</div><div><br></div><div>You didn't mention whether you want to use these plugged in or on their batteries, or how good these batteries are.</div><div><br></div><div>A retina display is nice to have if you (like me) like to have 3 terminal windows next to each other left-to-right. Without retina, you can only 2 terminals (plus a bit). You might not care.</div><div><br></div><div>-erik</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 4:13 PM Ron Singh <<a href="mailto:ronsingh149@gmail.com">ronsingh149@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">So, I have no Apple devices in my collection of laptops and wonder if I am stupid for considering the following as worthy members of any collection since these things apparently do well with Debian-based distros. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">These 2 models are bloody expensive, even though they are priced for "computer resellers" only. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I am leaning more towards the cheaper one as that 2nd gen quad-core CPU has a bigger cache, same TDP, albeit a slower video built-into the CPU.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I know nothing about Macs really, but sometimes, I feel a tug suggesting I should get one so that I can feel like I belong to that most rarefied of coteries, a Mac user(part-time).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I don't need this, and would only use it about once a week, but I want a used Mac laptop just becuase. I wonder if the sub-$500 2011 model is worthwhile as in "is this a stupendously low price" for a 2011 15" Macbook with a regular IPS display, or go for the spendier 2012 unit with the retina display?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><table id="gmail-m_7270931130405145988gmail-x_content_LETTER.BLOCK15" style="display:table" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-m_7270931130405145988gmail-x_Content" rowspan="1" colspan="1" style="padding:8px 32px 9px;color:rgb(0,0,0)" valign="top" align="left"><div><div class="gmail-m_7270931130405145988gmail-x_HeadingText" style="color:rgb(238,86,36);font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont">
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</div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_7270931130405145988gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks,<br><br>Ron Singh<br><br></div></div></div></div></div>
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