<div dir="ltr">Not to start an echo chamber... but yeah, there is something to be said for a default desktop environment that smoothly and beautifully does exactly what you expect. I also find the more I customize, the more out of my element I am when I'm inevitably forced out of the boat. It is getting better... but we're still pretty far away from passable.<div><br></div><div>Stuart</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 5:36 PM Chamunks <<a href="mailto:chamunks@gmail.com">chamunks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It would be really nice to have a nice long term consistent linux experience for the desktop environment. I was running a Lenovo something something for a travel laptop for a trip I took last year and regretted not taking my Mac the trackpad was bad, the load times were awful even with an SSD everything in the UX/UI felt jittery and slow I just wish there was one company dedicated to producing liquid smooth consistent user experiences in the Linux universe sure I can have a desktop environment a million different ways but at the end of the day if I spend more time configuring things than doing what I want to do its just a mess. I find because of the huge plethora of options in linux I spend more time constantly optimizing how my UX is then finding ways to configuration manage so that my workstation is a stateless entity that it just seems unattainable for the average user. If we could take the linux desktop experience of like 10 years from now and bring it back to today then I think that I'll be happy. I love linux very much but I still find it unsuitable for a working environment outside of servers and dev which makes me a little angry with myself for feeling this way but until something gets better I'll keep my eyes open and encourage the FOSS projects to go in the direction I think will make the ecosystem better.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-6393982245624815236gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:07 PM Doug Moen <<a href="mailto:doug@moens.org" target="_blank">doug@moens.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div><div>I've been using a Macintosh since 1984. My current Mac is a 2010 MacBook Air. At the time I bought it, it was the best laptop on the market. The build quality was much better than any PC laptop that I could find in retail stores, and it was also much lighter. I'm really pleased with how long it has lasted. I still use it daily as my only laptop.<br></div>
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<div>Unfortunately, Apple doesn't currently sell any hardware that I would consider buying, and I doubt they will sell hardware I want ever again. The current MacBooks have a bad keyboard with unacceptably low key travel, and they are unreliable, with an outrageous repair cost. The ribbon cable that runs power to the backlight is thinner and more prone to breaking than in laptop models from the past, with a really high repair cost. The boot rom is designed to make it impossible to boot Linux. Good trackpad, though, and nice display. The fastest Mac desktop you can currently buy is a reconditioned Mac Pro "cheese grater" edition, built in 2006 (from a third party) with upgraded CPU, RAM, GPU and SSD. Nothing Apple currently sells can compete, and new Mac desktops are mostly not upgradeable. And I have never considered buying an iOS device, due to the walled garden, and the impossibility of running my own software on it, and also because of the surveillance and spyware.<br></div>
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<div>So I view Mac as a dying ecosystem. At some point, my MacBook will die, and I will need to buy a Linux laptop to replace it. The Dell XPS 13 looks like a nice replacement.<br></div></div><div>
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<div>On Tue, Jan 22, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Chamunks wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>The big reason I like apple is I just throw an ever increasing fist full of cash at them every 4-8 years and I get a toaster with a lever I pull and when I pull that lever I get my toast. If I can get a PC that behaves exactly as I expect with no superfluous bullshit like Windows and other crapware along with a colossal ecosystem full of spare parts online than I'll switch. But until PC becomes ubiquitous with at least some of the aforementioned game breakers then I'm sticking where I am for my workstations. <br></div>
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<div>If nothing else I would consider switching my laptop for a Chromebook if I could get a Chromebook without the Google in it.<br></div>
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<div><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 5:20 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>This is priceless! Quote:<br></p><p>"""<br></p><p>Keeping older Apple products prevents you from living your life
to the fullest, as those products do not contain the latest
innovations. {#63: Plus, you won‟t look cool in Starbucks.}<br></p></div>
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>"""<br></p><div>On 2019-01-21 3:19 p.m.,
CrankyOldBugger wrote:<br></div>
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(70 pages) book on "Escaping the Cult of Mac"; and it's a
hilarious read. I recommend that you check it out.<br></div>
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<div>You can download it from his Github page: <a href="https://github.com/jasoneckert/CultOfMac" target="_blank">https://github.com/jasoneckert/CultOfMac</a> <br></div>
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