<div dir="ltr">I have used archives of a mailing list to get an idea of the community involved before either a) posting or b) joining. <br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 3:51 PM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:06:21AM -0500, Andrew Sullivan Cant wrote:<br>
> On 2018-11-26 3:45 a.m., Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:<br>
> > A few weeks ago a list member contacted me privately. This person was<br>
> > uncomfortable participating on the mailing list because the archives<br>
> > are public, and show up in search engine results. <br>
> <br>
> Did they give any more details about their concerns?<br>
> (e.g., email being published, content of the messages being published)<br>
<br>
The person in question was surprised/dismayed to do a DuckDuckGo<br>
search on their name and find the archives show up. Their perception<br>
of the list was that it was not as public as it is. As a result they<br>
are reluctant to participate on the list in the future. <br>
<br>
I see the point. There is a qualitative difference between making our<br>
posts public to a community of people and making our posts public so<br>
that unknown giant entities can vacuum up our data for surveillance<br>
and/or profit. <br>
<br>
We tend to dismiss such distinctions (as Chris notes,<br>
anybody could publish all the archives, or CSIS/Facebook could join<br>
the mailing list) but I feel those distinctions of intent are real. We<br>
just don't have a good way of discussing them. <br>
<br>
Here are two followup questions: <br>
<br>
- Regardless of philosophical positions as to whether the archives<br>
ought to be open, are there additional stories where people have<br>
actually used the openness of the archives for some purpose? Bob<br>
gave us one example when he talked about linking to particular<br>
posts. Are there others?<br>
<br>
- Are there members of this list who would prefer the list be private<br>
but are not participating in the discussion because they feel<br>
intimidated by the strong stance expressed, or because the list is<br>
public and they are concerned about their privacy? (People who are<br>
less concerned about the archives being public are exactly the<br>
people who are more inclined to participate in this discussion,<br>
after all.) If you are in this camp, please contact me offline. I<br>
will take a tally of you and relay your concerns (without your name)<br>
to this thread. <br>
<br>
<br>
- Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
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