<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Acknowledged...and I just confirmed, guest OSes running in VirtualBox passes audio/video quite fine to the Displayport connector on the X220 onto my TV, I use an HDMI-DP adapter married to an HDMI cable and all is good. I tried LM Xfce and LM Cinnamon and both worked quite fine even with the 2014-vintage Virtualbox listed in LM's Software Center. Been to lazy to rip it out and install the latest VBox:-)<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Thanks,<br><br>Ron Singh<br>"in transit, via mobile comm device"</div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 1:20 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:freshmeadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank">freshmeadow1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I would stay with the 128G ssd as I will be doing one
installation on it. Then I will show how easy it is to install a
different desktop environment like Gnome or maybe Mate.</p>
<p>Thanks, Jim<br>
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<div class="m_6270306035794592385moz-cite-prefix">On 01/19/18 17:47, Ron Singh wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Understandable.
The main reason I mentioned the various DEs was simply the
fact that most Linux newbies will likely be refugees seeking
shelter from the Microsoft storm, but will still be more
amenable to making a change to Linux if the change is
marginal. I life Xfce for it's simplicity, intuitiveness and
it's resemblance to a weird hybrid of XP/W7 desktop. Mein frau
likes Mate for it easy of access to just about every program
just like Win-XP. Most folks I have worked with on the
transition absolutely abhorred Gnome3 and KDE as they feel
that too much is "hidden". I think they didn't care for the
task/apps ribbons and bars. I tend to agree with them, but I
am a certified card-carrying Luddite, so, there it is.
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Since Ubuntu is not
going to be doing any furthering of Unity and will be
focusing on Gnome3, definitely a showing of 16.04.3 with
Gnome3 make sense with a nod to Mate and Xfce. My
experience with openSUSE was abysmal. I would welcome an
opportunity to see an install and see how you deal with that
nasty software updater and software installer. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I personally went the
Mint way and Xfce DE as I have absolutely control over the
various levels of updates since updating for the sake of
updaing can sometimes break stuff.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The way Linux Mint
curates their offering and their update mechanism seems to
suit my sensibilities perfectly. So far(11 months), no
breakage on my production machines, yaaa!<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Let me know if I stick
with a 128G SSD or pop in the WD 500G 7200RPM HDD.<br>
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<div class="m_6270306035794592385gmail_signature">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Ron Singh<br>
"in transit, via mobile comm device"</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:55 PM,
James Kelsh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:freshmeadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank">freshmeadow1@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ron. I plan on keeping it
simple. I am going to go through an Ubuntu 16.04.3
installation from my dvd and after showing the Unity
desktop, I am going to install the Gnome desktop
onto it like I do for my own machines. To much
choice in desktop environments may be overwhelming.
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I can mention Mate, LXDE, XFCE
etc. and show screenshots from the web maybe, but I
will keep it simple and direct.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Having the X220 for a dry run
would be great.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I may also do an install of
openSUSE on my laptop in VMWare to show both a VM
install and another Linux distribution.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jim</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a>
for Windows 10</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:currentcolor;padding:0in"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:ronsingh149@gmail.com" target="_blank">Ron Singh</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, January 19, 2018 3:59 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">KWLUG
discussion</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [kwlug-disc] Linux &
Linux admin for newbies</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Yup,
I will be at the Feb meet. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I
think it might be wise to get the X220 to you
before the meeting so that you can do a dry
run of the install and make sure all is good
before doing the live install at KWLUG's Feb
meet? I am in Waterloo and can meet up
wherever to hand off the laptop.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I
wonder, since most folks really interact with
a PC's desktop environment and browsers, would
it be prudent to mebbe stuff a 500G HDD in the
laptop so that you could have multiple
installs of Linux, simply for a presenter to
showcase the pros/cons of various desktop
environments? </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I
cannot justify(afford) storage any greater
than a 128G SSD or a 500G 7200RPM WD Black
HDD, and I think a 128G SSD might be tight if
one wanted around 4 installs to show off Xfce,
Mate, Cinnamon, Gnome3, or LXDE etc.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Rambling
on a bit further, I wonder if I should not
just leave the X220 without whoever will be
doing any sort of presenting and who might be
reluctant to mess with their own hardware,
perhaps that person would benefit from a
beater laptop?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Ron Singh<br>
"in transit, via mobile comm device"</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:24
PM, James Kelsh <<a href="mailto:freshmeadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank">freshmeadow1@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Ron, it will
help! That way I font have to overwrite my
existing Ubuntu installation!!!!!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Will you be at
the February meeting? We can talk there.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
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On Jan 19, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Ron Singh
<<a href="mailto:ronsingh149@gmail.com" target="_blank">ronsingh149@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Jim,
I can lend an X220 laptop with
8G and an SSD(to reduce install
time and make the presentation
go a bit faster) for the
bare-metal install if this help
in anyway.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Ron Singh<br>
"in transit, via mobile comm
device"</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 19,
2018 at 8:14 AM, James Kelsh <<a href="mailto:freshmeadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank">freshmeadow1@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would be
happy to do it in March. I am
thinking to include installation
on bare metal from a dvd, USB
stick, and maybe dual booting
and installing<br>
from an iso in a VM too.<br>
Let's talk further at the
February meeting.<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
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> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:24
PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc
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