<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Acknowledged...and I just confirmed, guest OSes running in VirtualBox passes audio/video quite fine to the Displayport connector on the X220 onto my TV, I use an HDMI-DP adapter married to an HDMI cable and all is good. I tried LM Xfce and LM Cinnamon and both worked quite fine even with the 2014-vintage Virtualbox listed in LM's Software Center. Been to lazy to rip it out and install the latest VBox:-)<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Thanks,<br><br>Ron Singh<br>"in transit, via mobile comm device"</div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 1:20 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:freshmeadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank">freshmeadow1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>I would stay with the 128G ssd as I will be doing one
      installation on it. Then I will show how easy it is to install a
      different desktop environment like Gnome or maybe Mate.</p>
    <p>Thanks, Jim<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="m_6270306035794592385moz-cite-prefix">On 01/19/18 17:47, Ron Singh wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Understandable.
          The main reason I mentioned the various DEs was simply the
          fact that most Linux newbies will likely be refugees seeking
          shelter from the Microsoft storm, but will still be more
          amenable to making a change to Linux if the change is
          marginal. I life Xfce for it's simplicity, intuitiveness and
          it's resemblance to a weird hybrid of XP/W7 desktop. Mein frau
          likes Mate for it easy of access to just about every program
          just like Win-XP. Most folks I have worked with on the
          transition absolutely abhorred Gnome3 and KDE as they feel
          that too much is "hidden". I think they didn't care for the
          task/apps ribbons and bars. I tend to agree with them, but I
          am a certified card-carrying Luddite, so, there it is.
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Since Ubuntu is not
            going to be doing any furthering of  Unity and will be
            focusing on Gnome3, definitely a showing of 16.04.3 with
            Gnome3 make sense with a nod to Mate and Xfce.  My
            experience with openSUSE was abysmal. I would welcome an
            opportunity to see an install and see how you deal with that
            nasty software updater and software installer. <br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I personally went the
            Mint way and Xfce DE  as I have absolutely control over the
            various levels of updates since updating for the sake of
            updaing can sometimes break stuff.<br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The way Linux Mint
            curates their offering and their update mechanism seems to
            suit my sensibilities perfectly. So far(11 months), no
            breakage on my production machines, yaaa!<br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Let me know if I stick
            with a 128G SSD or pop in the WD 500G 7200RPM HDD.<br>
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            <div class="m_6270306035794592385gmail_signature">Thanks,<br>
              <br>
              Ron Singh<br>
              "in transit, via mobile comm device"</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:55 PM,
            James Kelsh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:freshmeadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank">freshmeadow1@gmail.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ron. I plan on keeping it
                    simple. I am going to go through an Ubuntu 16.04.3
                    installation from my dvd and after showing the Unity
                    desktop, I am going to install the Gnome desktop
                    onto it like I do for my own machines. To much
                    choice in desktop environments may be overwhelming.
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> I can mention Mate, LXDE, XFCE
                    etc. and show screenshots from the web maybe, but I
                    will keep it simple and direct.</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Having the X220 for a dry run
                    would be great.</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">I may also do an install of
                    openSUSE on my laptop in VMWare to show both a VM
                    install and another Linux distribution.</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Jim</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a>
                    for Windows 10</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:currentcolor;padding:0in"><b>From:
                      </b><a href="mailto:ronsingh149@gmail.com" target="_blank">Ron Singh</a><br>
                      <b>Sent: </b>Friday, January 19, 2018 3:59 PM<br>
                      <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">KWLUG
                        discussion</a><br>
                      <b>Subject: </b>Re: [kwlug-disc] Linux &
                      Linux admin for newbies</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Yup,
                          I will be at the Feb meet. </span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I
                          think it might be wise to get the X220 to you
                          before the meeting so that you can do a dry
                          run of the install and make sure all is good
                          before doing the live install at KWLUG's Feb
                          meet? I am in Waterloo and can meet up
                          wherever to hand off the laptop.</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I
                          wonder, since most folks really interact with
                          a PC's desktop environment and browsers, would
                          it be prudent to mebbe stuff a 500G HDD in the
                          laptop so that you could have multiple
                          installs of Linux, simply for a presenter to
                          showcase the pros/cons of various desktop
                          environments? </span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I
                          cannot justify(afford) storage any greater
                          than a 128G SSD or a 500G 7200RPM WD Black
                          HDD, and I think a 128G SSD might be tight if
                          one wanted around 4 installs to show off Xfce,
                          Mate, Cinnamon, Gnome3, or LXDE etc.</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Rambling
                          on a bit further, I wonder if I should not
                          just leave the X220 without whoever will be
                          doing any sort of presenting and who might be
                          reluctant to mess with their own hardware,
                          perhaps that person would benefit from a
                          beater laptop?</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
                          <br>
                          Ron Singh<br>
                          "in transit, via mobile comm device"</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:24
                        PM, James Kelsh <<a href="mailto:freshmeadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank">freshmeadow1@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Ron, it will
                            help! That way I font have to overwrite my
                            existing Ubuntu installation!!!!!</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Will you be at
                              the February meeting? We can talk there.</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
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                                On Jan 19, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Ron Singh
                                <<a href="mailto:ronsingh149@gmail.com" target="_blank">ronsingh149@gmail.com</a>>
                                wrote:</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Jim,
                                        I can lend an X220 laptop with
                                        8G and an SSD(to reduce install
                                        time and make the presentation
                                        go a bit faster) for the
                                        bare-metal install if this help
                                        in anyway.</span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Ron Singh<br>
                                        "in transit, via mobile comm
                                        device"</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 19,
                                      2018 at 8:14 AM, James Kelsh <<a href="mailto:freshmeadow1@gmail.com" target="_blank">freshmeadow1@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I would be
                                        happy to do it in March. I am
                                        thinking to include installation
                                        on bare metal from a dvd, USB
                                        stick, and maybe dual booting
                                        and installing<br>
                                        from an iso in a VM too.<br>
                                        Let's talk further at the
                                        February meeting.<br>
                                        Jim<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Sent from my iPhone<br>
                                        <br>
                                        > On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:24
                                        PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc
                                        <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>>
                                        wrote:<br>
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