<div dir="ltr">For the small amount of SMS messaging I do, I've been using Signal. Approved by Edward Snowden! And, ironically, approved for use by the US Senate... I find it works well for what I need.<div><br></div><div>Unfortunately at work we are heavily shackled to Skype for Business, or whatever MS is calling it this week..</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 02:21 Bob Jonkman <<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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Hubert wrote:<br>
> - Wire doesn't seem to have any official place for community<br>
> discussion<br>
<br>
True, and a complaint I made to them on Twitter:<br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/KWVoIP/status/934882104374067206" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/KWVoIP/status/934882104374067206</a><br>
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As a result I got an invite to the "Wire World Group", started by Siim<br>
Teller of Wire. Connect with me on Wire (I'm @BobJonkman) and I can<br>
add KWLUGgers to the group too. There's also a KWVoIP group, and we<br>
can start our own KWLUG group.<br>
<br>
- --Bob, who intends to spin up a Matrix instance any day now.<br>
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On 2017-11-28 09:49 PM, Hubert Chathi wrote:<br>
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:26:29 -0500, Keefer Rourke<br>
> <<a href="mailto:mail@krourke.org" target="_blank">mail@krourke.org</a>> said:<br>
><br>
>>> Matrix has been open and federated from the beginning, whereas<br>
>>> Wire only recently open sourced their server code, and as far<br>
>>> as I know, they still don't support federation.<br>
><br>
>> I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Wire has<br>
>> laid plans publicly for self-hosting and federation, and is *now*<br>
>> fully open- source; for whatever reasons (I suspect code-quality<br>
>> or readiness to publish since it was in beta until recently) it<br>
>> was kept behind closed doors. What makes software philosophically<br>
>> superior depending on when it was open-sourced? Linux didn't<br>
>> start out as FLOSS for instance.<br>
><br>
> The point is that, at least to me, Matrix *feels* more like a open<br>
> source community project, whereas Wire *feels* more like a<br>
> centralized project that allows other people to tinker with their<br>
> code. It's just the impression that I get, whether not it's the<br>
> truth. It's reflected not only in when it was open-sourced (the<br>
> fact that it took a long time for Wire to open their code (and the<br>
> fact that their server code still doesn't have build instructions)<br>
> makes it seem like they don't "get" open source), but also in the<br>
> fact that, for example:<br>
><br>
> - Matrix includes links to alternative clients, libraries, servers,<br>
> etc. - Matrix has published fairly detailed specifications for how<br>
> clients talk to servers, and how servers talk to each other - Wire<br>
> doesn't seem to have any official place for community discussion<br>
><br>
> Having been in the Matrix community for a while, and not having<br>
> any experience with Wire, I'm probably biased, and given that it's<br>
> still the early days of Wire's open sourcing, things may change in<br>
> the future, but that is the impression that I get of the two<br>
> projects.<br>
><br>
>> I think we're comparing apples to oranges here...<br>
><br>
>>> Looking at Wire's features page, it looks like it has several<br>
>>> limitations that Matrix does not have. For example, it only<br>
>>> supports 128 members in a group chat (one (unencrypted) Matrix<br>
>>> room I'm in has over 11,000 members, and the largest encrypted<br>
>>> Matrix room I'm in has 172 members), which means that Wire<br>
>>> can't be used as an IRC replacement,<br>
><br>
>> Skype and most other video-first platforms don't support that<br>
>> many users in a group at a time. Wire makes for an acceptable<br>
>> Skype replacement, but I never said anything about replacing IRC?<br>
>> What's wrong with IRC? Long live IRC!<br>
><br>
> Sure, if your only aim is to replace Skype, then Wire is probably<br>
> fine. I personally would rather, where possible, to have one app<br>
> that can handle multiple uses. Matrix gives me everything from 1:1<br>
> communication and larger group chats. I can even join the IRC<br>
> channels that I want to with it. But then again, I don't do many<br>
> 1:1 chats, so the deficiencies in that area of Riot's 1:1 chat UI<br>
> don't affect me much.<br>
><br>
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