<div dir="ltr">DVLB in Uptown accepted bitcoin at some point through some service. Not sure if they still do. You could ask them about their experience.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Chamunks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chamunks@gmail.com" target="_blank">chamunks@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'll ask my CPA about this at some point and report back whenever I do that.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM Bob Jonkman <<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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Chamunks wrote:<br>
> So @Bob you're saying it's better to just cash out the 13% out of<br>
> BTC and bank that for tax day?<br>
<br>
I don't know if it's "better", but it's certainly more straightforward.<br>
<br>
Until CRA starts accepting BTC as a payment method it needs to be<br>
handled as a foreign currency. And I'm not sure if BTC is recognized<br>
as a foreign currency, so then it may need to be dealt with as barter.<br>
IANAA, YMMV, ETC.<br>
<br>
Joel wrote:<br>
> Your thinking is on the right track but I wouldn't record it that<br>
> way.<br>
<br>
Thanx Joel! As you point out, there are different ways of recording<br>
the transaction, and different payment schedules to CRA. Retaining a<br>
tax accountant for a small business is a prudent move.<br>
<br>
- --Bob.<br>
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On 2017-10-20 06:31 AM, Joel Nahrgang wrote:<br>
>> Not a tax accountant by any means<br>
><br>
> I'm not a CPA, but worked in public accounting for over 20 years,<br>
> including tax.<br>
><br>
> Your thinking is on the right track but I wouldn't record it that<br>
> way.<br>
><br>
> You make a sale for $100 CDN and charge $13 CDN for hst (13%). You<br>
> would owe cra $13 for HST if that is all you did in the filing<br>
> period. Regardless of what currency it is in, you just owe $13<br>
> CDN.<br>
><br>
> If you happen to get paid in bitcoin, using Bob's example and<br>
> received 1 BTC, that is what would show on your balance sheet until<br>
> the end of the year/quarter/month when you need to adjust all<br>
> currencies to reflect the CDN$ value.<br>
><br>
> If those currencies are higher than the CDN$ equivalent, then the<br>
> difference is recorded as income and can be taxed on it, This would<br>
> just go into the overall income and your expenses would reduce the<br>
> income.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Bob Jonkman <<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Remi Gauvin wrote:<br>
>>>> Not a tax accountant by any means<br>
><br>
> Me neither.<br>
><br>
>>>> If I traded $100 worth of my service for 1 BTC, then 2<br>
>>>> months later,<br>
> traded that 1 BTC for $150 cash (or equivalent goods/service), my<br>
> total taxable income would be $150<br>
><br>
> This needs a tax accountant. When I generate an invoice for<br>
> services rendered I charge HST (13%) at the time of invoicing. So<br>
> if I perform a service for 1 BTC then I would charge 1 BTC + .13<br>
> BTC HST = 1.13 BTC. CRA gets whatever that .13 BTC is worth at the<br>
> time the services are billed. The .13 BTC are not mine, and I can't<br>
> spend it or invest it.<br>
><br>
> If two months down the road my 1 BTC has increased in value 1.5x<br>
> then that's a capital gains, just like any other investment. The .5<br>
> BTC would be taxed at whatever the capital gains is.<br>
><br>
> --Bob.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2017-10-19 05:58 PM, Remi Gauvin wrote:<br>
>>>> On 17-10-19 04:37 PM, Andrew Stevanus (KWLUG) wrote:<br>
>>>>> The recent mention of the Humble Cryptocurrency Bundle and<br>
>>>>> the ensuing discussion reminded me of something that I've<br>
>>>>> been wondering about for a while. How would one go about<br>
>>>>> accepting bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as a Canadian<br>
>>>>> business? Obviously, you'd still have to pay income tax, so<br>
>>>>> would you calculate the equivalent amount in CAD when you<br>
>>>>> received a payment and just use that? What exchange would<br>
>>>>> you get the price from? Does it matter? Do you use the<br>
>>>>> price when the invoice is generated, when the customer<br>
>>>>> sends the payment, or when it is actually confirmed on the<br>
>>>>> blockchain? Are there any additional rules that would apply<br>
>>>>> when accepting cryptocurrency versus CAD?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Not a tax accountant by any means, but if you'll allow to<br>
>>>> play one for a bit.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I don't really think it matters a great deal how you convert<br>
>>>> value at the time you receive the coins, (so long as it's<br>
>>>> consistent and reasonable. Basically, it would be the same<br>
>>>> as barter.). However, that value would then further be<br>
>>>> converted to gain/loss when you dispose of said coins.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ie. If I traded $100 worth of my service for 1 BTC, then 2<br>
>>>> months later, traded that 1 BTC for $150 cash (or equivalent<br>
>>>> goods/service), my total taxable income would be $150.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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