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<p>In the further adventures of installing 17.10... </p>
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<p>While I plan to try XFCE soon, I got a popup on one of my 17.04 boxes (Ubuntu Unity) asking me if I wanted to upgrade. For the sake of science, I said yes as this isn't a production box. Bad move... While the upgrade itself seemed to go ok, and it preserved
what it could of my previous install, the end result was a mostly un-usable system. No Super Key, no workspaces, just a boring desktop with the "Activites" dropdown being the only way to run any programs. So I ended up doing a wipe and load. Luckily I was
able to copy off my configs and personalizations before starting the wipe, so no big loss other than a couple days of beating my PC with a stick...</p>
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<p>Just a heads-up to anyone who is hoping to do a simple upgrade.</p>
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org> on behalf of Khalid Baheyeldin <kb@2bits.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 October 2017 14:16<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Singh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> KWLUG discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kwlug-disc] Ubuntu 17.10</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Yes, XFCE is more than adequate. It is functional and slim. Checks all<br>
the boxes. No need for fancy stuff.<br>
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I am using it on a 2013 Dell Latitude Core i5 CPU. Also on some others,<br>
like a 2009 Toshiba Satellite (my main laptop until a few months ago),<br>
and an HP. Nothing fancy.<br>
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Pro tip: install the package apticron if your laptop can send you email<br>
(that requires postfix and s-nail, but may as well require that you have<br>
your own domain server elsewhere to forward emails properly).<br>
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That way, when there is a security release for any of the packages that<br>
are installed on your machine (server or laptop), you get an email, and<br>
you can update when you can.<br>
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On 10/19/17, Ron Singh <ronsingh149@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> Ditto here. I've only been in the Linux world for 9 months now.<br>
> Distro-hopped for about 3 months, and only in the last 6 months have<br>
> settled to what I am very happy with, namely, LinuxMint 18.1 Xfce.<br>
> Clean clean clean desktop, on 4.4 LTS of the Linux kernel and security<br>
> patches promised to early 2021. My hardware profile is modest at<br>
> Thinkpads, using 2nd gen Intel CPUs, X220,T420s, T410s, W520.<br>
><br>
> I do weekly grinding though various LTS, rolling releases and even some<br>
> bleeding distros in a Virtualbox VM, only to to find that LM 18.1 Xfce to<br>
> be the most reliable and memory/energy efficient OS that I have ever used,<br>
> well, at least in the last 6 months.<br>
><br>
> Gnome and KDE makes me really angry for putting up walls for me in terms of<br>
> accessibility, Mate is quite gentle on the nerves, but I find Xfce to be<br>
> closest to the way I want to interact with a desktop interface, quickly and<br>
> intuitively.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Ron Singh<br>
> "in transit, via mobile comm device"<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin <kb@2bits.com> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> That is exactly my strategy.<br>
>><br>
>> I learned a lesson the hard way around 10 or so years back when<br>
>> I upgraded from an LTS to a non-LTS release, and got broken things<br>
>> on KDE that almost drove me off from it then. Early this year I<br>
>> switched from KDE to XFCE after I upgraded to 16.04 (one year<br>
>> after it came out), and never looked back.<br>
>><br>
>> Ever since, I only stick with LTS releases, and life has been easier<br>
>> that way.<br>
>><br>
>> Even with LTS, I tend to watch until at least the first .1 release<br>
>> comes out and the main kinks ironed out.<br>
>><br>
>> Preserves your sanity that way.<br>
>><br>
>> On 10/19/17, L.D. Paniak <ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com> wrote:<br>
>> > Is there anything compelling in 17.10 that I cannot get in 16.04 with<br>
>> HWE?<br>
>> > It is to the point where I am ignoring non-LTS releases in general.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 10/19/2017 12:54 PM, Keefer Rourke wrote:<br>
>> >> I'm currently running Fedora 27 beta, and I'm really disappointed with<br>
>> >> GNOME 3.26.1 until recently, Mutter would crash any time you closed a<br>
>> >> maximized (or half-tiled) window. For a "stable" release, GNOME is<br>
>> >> hugely disappointing.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The bugs in *vanilla* GNOME have been show-stoppers for the final<br>
>> >> release of Fedora 27 -- I'm honestly surprised that Canonical decided<br>
>> >> to release 17.10 with the current state of things.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Cheers,<br>
>> >> Keefer<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, 2017-10-19 at 15:27 +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote:<br>
>> >>> And a reason why I like to test new stuff out via virtual machines,<br>
>> >>> not real boxes!<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I had to submit two bug reports in the first few minutes. But now it<br>
>> >>> seems to be running a bit better after another reboot..<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> What can I say about it? If you ignore the bright orange background<br>
>> >>> and the dock, it looks just like Fedora GNOME or any other GNOME. It<br>
>> >>> will be interesting to see how Canonical keeps us interested in their<br>
>> >>> desktop product if it's just like anybody else's.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Or maybe they'll just focus on the stuff they do well, like MaaS and<br>
>> >>> server and docker, etc.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 at 11:22 Khalid Baheyeldin <kb@2bits.com<br>
>> >>> <<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com">mailto:kb@2bits.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>> On 10/19/17, CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger@gmail.com<br>
>> >>>> <<a href="mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com">mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>> > I just downloaded the new Ubuntu 17.10 and installed it in a<br>
>> >>>> > virtual<br>
>> >>>> > machine (virtualbox on a Windows host).<br>
>> >>>> ><br>
>> >>>> > So far, it's interesting, but I'm sure I don't need to remind the<br>
>> >>>> people<br>
>> >>>> > here to not drop a brand new release on a production box. In<br>
>> >>>> other words,<br>
>> >>>> > I've come across quite a few bugs so far...<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> One more reason I stay with LTS releases, and only after the .1<br>
>> version<br>
>> >>>> of them comes out.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> --<br>
>> >>>> Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>
>> >>>> 2bits.com <<a href="http://2bits.com">http://2bits.com</a>>, Inc.<br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://2bits.com">http://2bits.com</a><br>
>> >>>> Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.<br>
>> >>>> Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra<br>
>> >>>> Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci<br>
>> >>>><br>
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>> --<br>
>> Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>
>> 2bits.com, Inc.<br>
>> <a href="http://2bits.com">http://2bits.com</a><br>
>> Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.<br>
>> Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra<br>
>> Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci<br>
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Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>
2bits.com, Inc.<br>
<a href="http://2bits.com">http://2bits.com</a><br>
Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.<br>
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra<br>
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci<br>
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