<div dir="ltr">Found something better.... <a href="https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/payment/digital-currency.html">https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/payment/digital-currency.html</a><div><br></div><div>to quote:</div><div><br></div><div><h2 id="inbox-inbox-toc3" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.1;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:38px;margin-bottom:11.5px;font-size:26px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">How tax rules apply to digital currency</h2><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 11.5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">Tax rules apply to digital currency transactions, including those made with cryptocurrencies. Using digital currency does not exempt consumers from Canadian tax obligations.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 11.5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">This means digital currencies are subject to the Income Tax Act.</p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 at 12:24 CrankyOldBugger <<a href="mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com">crankyoldbugger@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">This is from four years ago, so no idea if still relevant: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitcoins-aren-t-tax-exempt-revenue-canada-says-1.1395075" target="_blank">http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitcoins-aren-t-tax-exempt-revenue-canada-says-1.1395075</a><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 at 12:17 Scott Frederick <<a href="mailto:sfrederick0@gmail.com" target="_blank">sfrederick0@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I believe that CRA considers Bitcoin to be a commodity, not a currency, so you would be subject to capital gains tax. The question now is, is that gain taxable annually, or only when the gain is realised.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 Oct 2017 6:32 AM, "Joel Nahrgang" <<a href="mailto:joelsn@gmail.com" target="_blank">joelsn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>> Not a tax accountant by any means<br><br></div>I'm not a CPA, but worked in public accounting for over 20 years, including tax.<br><br></div>Your thinking is on the right track but I wouldn't record it that way.<br><br></div>You make a sale for $100 CDN and charge $13 CDN for hst (13%). You would owe cra $13 for HST if that is all you did in the filing period. Regardless of what currency it is in, you just owe $13 CDN.<br><br></div>If you happen to get paid in bitcoin, using Bob's example and received 1 BTC, that is what would show on your balance sheet until the end of the year/quarter/month when you need to adjust all currencies to reflect the CDN$ value.</div><div><br></div>If those currencies are higher than the CDN$ equivalent, then the difference is recorded as income and can be taxed on it, This would just go into the overall income and your expenses would reduce the income.<br><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Bob Jonkman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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Remi Gauvin wrote:<br>
> Not a tax accountant by any means<br>
<br>
Me neither.<br>
<br>
> If I traded $100 worth of my service for 1 BTC, then 2 months<br>
> later,<br>
traded that 1 BTC for $150 cash (or equivalent goods/service), my<br>
total taxable income would be $150<br>
<br>
This needs a tax accountant. When I generate an invoice for services<br>
rendered I charge HST (13%) at the time of invoicing. So if I perform<br>
a service for 1 BTC then I would charge 1 BTC + .13 BTC HST = 1.13<br>
BTC. CRA gets whatever that .13 BTC is worth at the time the services<br>
are billed. The .13 BTC are not mine, and I can't spend it or invest it.<br>
<br>
If two months down the road my 1 BTC has increased in value 1.5x then<br>
that's a capital gains, just like any other investment. The .5 BTC<br>
would be taxed at whatever the capital gains is.<br>
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On 2017-10-19 05:58 PM, Remi Gauvin wrote:<br>
> On 17-10-19 04:37 PM, Andrew Stevanus (KWLUG) wrote:<br>
>> The recent mention of the Humble Cryptocurrency Bundle and the<br>
>> ensuing discussion reminded me of something that I've been<br>
>> wondering about for a while. How would one go about accepting<br>
>> bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as a Canadian business?<br>
>> Obviously, you'd still have to pay income tax, so would you<br>
>> calculate the equivalent amount in CAD when you received a<br>
>> payment and just use that? What exchange would you get the price<br>
>> from? Does it matter? Do you use the price when the invoice is<br>
>> generated, when the customer sends the payment, or when it is<br>
>> actually confirmed on the blockchain? Are there any additional<br>
>> rules that would apply when accepting cryptocurrency versus CAD?<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Not a tax accountant by any means, but if you'll allow to play one<br>
> for a bit.<br>
><br>
> I don't really think it matters a great deal how you convert value<br>
> at the time you receive the coins, (so long as it's consistent and<br>
> reasonable. Basically, it would be the same as barter.). However,<br>
> that value would then further be converted to gain/loss when you<br>
> dispose of said coins.<br>
><br>
> ie. If I traded $100 worth of my service for 1 BTC, then 2 months<br>
> later, traded that 1 BTC for $150 cash (or equivalent<br>
> goods/service), my total taxable income would be $150.<br>
><br>
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