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Sure, but some of my machines need to work without futzing about!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/19/2017 01:51 PM, CrankyOldBugger
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<div dir="ltr">Sanity is over-rated. We're hackers!
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 at 13:50 Khalid Baheyeldin
<<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com" moz-do-not-send="true">kb@2bits.com</a>>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">That is
exactly my strategy.<br>
<br>
I learned a lesson the hard way around 10 or so years back
when<br>
I upgraded from an LTS to a non-LTS release, and got broken
things<br>
on KDE that almost drove me off from it then. Early this year
I<br>
switched from KDE to XFCE after I upgraded to 16.04 (one year<br>
after it came out), and never looked back.<br>
<br>
Ever since, I only stick with LTS releases, and life has been
easier<br>
that way.<br>
<br>
Even with LTS, I tend to watch until at least the first .1
release<br>
comes out and the main kinks ironed out.<br>
<br>
Preserves your sanity that way.<br>
<br>
On 10/19/17, L.D. Paniak <<a
href="mailto:ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Is there anything compelling in 17.10 that I cannot get
in 16.04 with HWE?<br>
> It is to the point where I am ignoring non-LTS releases
in general.<br>
><br>
> On 10/19/2017 12:54 PM, Keefer Rourke wrote:<br>
>> I'm currently running Fedora 27 beta, and I'm really
disappointed with<br>
>> GNOME 3.26.1 until recently, Mutter would crash any
time you closed a<br>
>> maximized (or half-tiled) window. For a "stable"
release, GNOME is<br>
>> hugely disappointing.<br>
>><br>
>> The bugs in *vanilla* GNOME have been show-stoppers
for the final<br>
>> release of Fedora 27 -- I'm honestly surprised that
Canonical decided<br>
>> to release 17.10 with the current state of things.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Keefer<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, 2017-10-19 at 15:27 +0000, CrankyOldBugger
wrote:<br>
>>> And a reason why I like to test new stuff out via
virtual machines,<br>
>>> not real boxes!<br>
>>><br>
>>> I had to submit two bug reports in the first few
minutes. But now it<br>
>>> seems to be running a bit better after another
reboot..<br>
>>><br>
>>> What can I say about it? If you ignore the
bright orange background<br>
>>> and the dock, it looks just like Fedora GNOME or
any other GNOME. It<br>
>>> will be interesting to see how Canonical keeps us
interested in their<br>
>>> desktop product if it's just like anybody else's.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Or maybe they'll just focus on the stuff they do
well, like MaaS and<br>
>>> server and docker, etc.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 at 11:22 Khalid Baheyeldin
<<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kb@2bits.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kb@2bits.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>>>> On 10/19/17, CrankyOldBugger <<a
href="mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">crankyoldbugger@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">crankyoldbugger@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>>>> > I just downloaded the new Ubuntu 17.10
and installed it in a virtual<br>
>>>> > machine (virtualbox on a Windows host).<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > So far, it's interesting, but I'm sure I
don't need to remind the<br>
>>>> people<br>
>>>> > here to not drop a brand new release on
a production box. In<br>
>>>> other words,<br>
>>>> > I've come across quite a few bugs so
far...<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One more reason I stay with LTS releases, and
only after the .1 version<br>
>>>> of them comes out.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>
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moz-do-not-send="true">http://2bits.com</a>>, Inc.<br>
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