<div dir="ltr">Whenever I get "old nerd" comments from the younger guys here, I throw my punch card reader at them...<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 at 14:00 Mark Steffen <<a href="mailto:rmarksteffen@gmail.com">rmarksteffen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Oh the bright side, I was carded at the last HackerNest meetup at TextNow. (the "proof of age because we are serving alcohol" kind of carding not the "police racial profiling" type of carding)<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">So I probably can be a "cultural fit" for another couple years and I do have a beard and like memey nerd tshirts, but I can't absorb "Craft IPAs" to the same degree that I could 20 years ago, and maturity does have a way of modifying your previously idealistic worldview. And family responsibilities, I can't be an 18 hour/day codebot/adminbot, even if there are catered lunch and dinners. But yeah.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">My experience with a larger startup in Waterloo was very positive - and they did give back (I believe there were some small code contributions and they did donate to a few things) and they definitely were not age-ist nor discriminated in any other way. Was a really cool place to work. So they aren't all bad, that's for sure.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br clear="all" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_796405005769282295gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_796405005769282295gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Mark Steffen</b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_796405005769282295gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><font size="1" class="gmail_msg">Office Direct: <a href="tel:(226)%20476-1240" value="+12264761240" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">+1.226.476.1240</a> | Mobile/WhatsApp: <a href="tel:(226)%20600-0464" value="+12266000464" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">+1.226.600.0464</a></font></div><div class="gmail_msg"><i style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_msg">"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln</i></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br class="gmail_msg">
The new Communitech job board is <a href="https://workintech.ca" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://workintech.ca</a> (because<br class="gmail_msg">
Communitech is pushing the "Waterloo-Toronto" corridor in an attempt<br class="gmail_msg">
to get Waterloo Region swallowed up by the GTA).<br class="gmail_msg">
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Here is a mini-rant: most local startups use FOSS stacks, but they are<br class="gmail_msg">
not FOSS companies. They are FOSS parasites. Sure: they want YOU to<br class="gmail_msg">
have an extensive Github profile of YOUR open source contributions<br class="gmail_msg">
that use their technology. That demonstrates you are some kind of<br class="gmail_msg">
ninja rockstar who does not need to be trained. But they don't want to<br class="gmail_msg">
give much back. Certainly none of their core business is FOSSable<br class="gmail_msg">
(because startup capital) and having the temerity to quiz companies on<br class="gmail_msg">
their FOSS contributions is a great way to get yourself screened out<br class="gmail_msg">
of a phone interview.<br class="gmail_msg">
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I am sure this is not universal, of course. No doubt there are plenty<br class="gmail_msg">
of local startups who are good FOSS citizens. But it has been a trial<br class="gmail_msg">
finding any, and those who sound promising want nothing to do with old<br class="gmail_msg">
dinosaurs like me (because of that "cultural fit" Mark talks about).<br class="gmail_msg">
Not that I am bitter. (Spoiler: I am a little bitter. I am trying to<br class="gmail_msg">
get less bitter before actively looking for positions again, although<br class="gmail_msg">
if KWLUGers have opportunities for old dinosaurs I am open to hearing<br class="gmail_msg">
them.)<br class="gmail_msg">
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- Paul<br class="gmail_msg">
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On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 09:20:02AM -0400, Mark Steffen wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> I think most local startups use FOSS stacks for the most part. It's<br class="gmail_msg">
> probably already been posted in the past but Communitech has a local tech<br class="gmail_msg">
> jobs board (or at least they did) and, of course, there is Indeed. Also,<br class="gmail_msg">
> not a terrible idea to show up to HackerNest meetups (on <a href="http://meetup.com" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">meetup.com</a>) and do<br class="gmail_msg">
> some pressing of the flesh.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> *Mark Steffen*<br class="gmail_msg">
> Office Direct: <a href="tel:%2B1.226.476.1240" value="+12264761240" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">+1.226.476.1240</a> | Mobile/WhatsApp: <a href="tel:%2B1.226.600.0464" value="+12266000464" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">+1.226.600.0464</a><br class="gmail_msg">
> *"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln*<br class="gmail_msg">
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> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:25 AM, B.S. <<a href="mailto:bs27975.2@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">bs27975.2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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> > Canada seems to be there ... just empty at the moment.<br class="gmail_msg">
> ><br class="gmail_msg">
> > <a href="https://www.fossjobs.net/jobs-in/Canada/" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.fossjobs.net/jobs-in/Canada/</a><br class="gmail_msg">
> ><br class="gmail_msg">
> > Interesting link. I saw countries in the lower left, clicked Cameroon,<br class="gmail_msg">
> > then changed Cameroon to Canada in the resulting URL.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> > Didn't get a page not found, so I guess it to be a valid URL, just empty<br class="gmail_msg">
> > at the moment.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> > On 03/29/2017 07:18 PM, Andrew Sullivan Cant wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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> >> Just in case this is useful for anyone:<br class="gmail_msg">
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> >> <a href="https://www.fossjobs.net/" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.fossjobs.net/</a><br class="gmail_msg">
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> >> They do not seem to have a Canada or KW specific listings, but they do<br class="gmail_msg">
> >> have a Worldwide section which seems to be remote stuff.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> >> The site seems to keep around old postings, so it could be useful for<br class="gmail_msg">
> >> finding interesting companies even if they do not have a current posting.<br class="gmail_msg">
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