<div dir="ltr">Nice. There isn't a real legal/regulatory requirement for this other than CYA (contracts gone bad, "well the sales guy said..." so we can dig through the email) but also as a backup to O365 (I can't see Microsoft losing their emails, but.. you never know). The budget is very low, they don't want to use Proofpoint etc. -- if there WAS a budget that is what I'd recommend doing rather than hosting it in house where there is always the question of fiddling down the road.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><b>Mark Steffen</b><div><font size="1">Office Direct: +1.226.476.1240 | Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.226.600.0464</font></div><div><i style="font-size:x-small">"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln</i></div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Bob Jonkman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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I've done this 1 1/2 times for a large organization, but with<br>
commercial software (think RFPs, pre-sales engineers, committee<br>
meetings).<br>
<br>
Don't forget about retention periods for different classifications of<br>
messages. Something dealing with finance or personnel may have a life<br>
of 7 years, and be *required* to be destroyed after that (for privacy<br>
reasons); something trivial like "Let's do lunch" might be destroyed<br>
after three years (so when legal discovery for corruption takes place<br>
the organization can legitimately say their policies don't retain mail<br>
that long -- yes, I've experienced that).<br>
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- --Bob.<br>
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On 2017-03-19 06:19 PM, Mark Steffen wrote:<br>
> I'm going to work on installing MailPiler first, it seems to be<br>
> more actively developed. Will let everyone know how it goes.<br>
> Mailpiler also can act as a "mail backup" where you can have it<br>
> flood your mail server with old messages if for some unknown reason<br>
> your mail server dies and you want to fill in the emails since your<br>
> last backup, so that's kind of neat.<br>
><br>
</span><span class="">> *Mark Steffen* Office Direct: <a href="tel:%2B1.226.476.1240" value="+12264761240">+1.226.476.1240</a> | Mobile/WhatsApp:<br>
</span>> <a href="tel:%2B1.226.600.0464" value="+12266000464">+1.226.600.0464</a> *"Don't believe everything you read on the<br>
> Internet." -Abraham Lincoln*<br>
<span class="">><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 6:14 PM, B. S. <<a href="mailto:bs27975@gmail.com">bs27975@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Mark is thinking / talking about a different thing.<br>
>><br>
>> I've seen this sort of thing particularly around Sarbanes-Oxley<br>
</span>>> ( <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes%E2%80%93Oxley_Act" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Sarbanes%E2%80%93Oxley_Act</a>) -<br>
<div><div class="h5">>> it's not about email 'backups', but an archive of all email<br>
>> segregated off into a black hole. Hopefully never to be needed,<br>
>> but required to be there in case of later litigation. Think<br>
>> WorldCom and Enron, and document shredding being illegal. Email<br>
>> never dies any more - but may, hopefully, disappear forever when<br>
>> you would like it to, for your own immediate purposes and<br>
>> perception - but don't be fooled with out of sight and out of<br>
>> mind, there's a copy of it somewhere. And someone, in this case<br>
>> Mark, has to actually implement it.<br>
>><br>
>> In essence, every message coming and going is echoed into this<br>
>> black hole.<br>
>><br>
>> Bear this in mind the next time you send a nastygram to a<br>
>> corporation or lawyer. Especially if you're a director or a<br>
>> decision maker or otherwise have a fiduciary duty.<br>
>><br>
>> For that matter, everyone should bear this in mind with every<br>
>> email they send.<br>
>><br>
>> I've only ever seen this with Exchange Servers, myself, but I<br>
>> can appreciate the need for a Linux solution. Especially as we<br>
>> see companies come and go, particularly in the proprietary world.<br>
>> At least with FOSS you have the source code. Not only can you<br>
>> security check it, but you'll always be able to get it out - may<br>
>> be painful, but at least possible.<br>
>><br>
>> Please let us know how you make out Mark - I don't expect it will<br>
>> be too long before such will be required of everyone. And even if<br>
>> not for oneself, one's provider will be doing so.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 03/19/2017 05:13 PM, Chamunks wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I've also wanted to archive my email offline. My problem is I<br>
>>> don't wish to lose convenience at the same time. Grumble.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017, 5:11 PM Mark Steffen<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:rmarksteffen@gmail.com">rmarksteffen@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rmarksteffen@gmail.com">rmarksteffen@gmail.com</a><wbr>>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Cranky,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yes, I mean for a smallish organization's email; they want all<br>
>>> of their org's incoming and outgoing email bcc'd into an<br>
>>> archival system that is read-only and they can designate<br>
>>> someone to have credentials to go through it if needed. Mainly<br>
>>> for potential legal issues down the road (not that they expect<br>
>>> any of course, just a CYA thing).<br>
>>><br>
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>>> Mobile/WhatsApp: <a href="tel:%2B1.226.600.0464" value="+12266000464">+1.226.600.0464</a> /"Don't believe everything you<br>
>>> read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln/<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, CrankyOldBugger<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com">crankyoldbugger@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com">crankyoldbugger@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Maybe I'm not understanding your question correctly, but I<br>
>>> "archive" my emails via Thunderbird/download to local HDD.<br>
>>> It's just an add-on. Then I have a .eml file for each email.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I imagine that you're thinking of something more from the<br>
>>> server side of things, though...<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 at 15:28 Mark Steffen<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:rmarksteffen@gmail.com">rmarksteffen@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rmarksteffen@gmail.com">rmarksteffen@gmail.com</a><wbr>>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I have a friend with a need for email archiving and a limited<br>
>>> budget. I prefer an open source solution, since "archiving" by<br>
>>> it's very nature implies a very long term relationship. There<br>
>>> seem to be no shortage of companies that like to jack prices up<br>
>>> once they have you "stuck."<br>
>>><br>
>>> The two leading solutions I've found with Google seem to be<br>
>>> Enkive and Mailpiler. I'm leaning towards Mailpiler I think,<br>
>>> but I thought I'd ask here in case anyone else has already<br>
>>> solved this problem.<br>
>>><br>
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