<p dir="ltr">There are ways to get email to not bounce you just need to do a literal tonne of reading. The things that I don't understand is why you always need so many services to get email going in the first place. </p>
<p dir="ltr">There is a good solution I found called mail in a box <a href="https://mailinabox.email/">https://mailinabox.email/</a> but it forces you to run your own DNS server which I'm not okay with that's too risky running your own DNS in my mind I would prefer it to let me have the option to use Cloudflare or something. </p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 4:54 PM Mark Steffen <<a href="mailto:rmarksteffen@gmail.com">rmarksteffen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Paul, I can get you a dedicated server or VM/VPS for the working centre. Feel free to message me off-list if interested. Hosted in town.</div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br clear="all" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_7507667184680174343gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Mark Steffen</b><div class="gmail_msg"><font size="1" class="gmail_msg">Office Direct: +1.226.476.1240 | Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.226.600.0464</font></div><div class="gmail_msg"><i style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_msg">"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln</i></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Digimer <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:lists@alteeve.ca" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">lists@alteeve.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_msg">On 14/02/17 03:01 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> Hosting your own email is far more than a VPS + apt-get + some config.<br class="gmail_msg">
> Setting up SPF, DKIM ...etc. is not trivial. I mean getting them<br class="gmail_msg">
> right.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> More over, dealing with incoming spam is hell on earth. The sheer<br class="gmail_msg">
> volume is a problem, and how to get it down to an acceptable level is<br class="gmail_msg">
> a challenge. More challenging is how to prevent legit e-mails form<br class="gmail_msg">
> being rejected as spam.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> More hellish is that your outgoing emails will be rejected by major<br class="gmail_msg">
> providers for no good reason.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> Hence the quest for outsourcing.<br class="gmail_msg">
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</span>I build my company's mail server about ten years ago (or more), and have<br class="gmail_msg">
managed it since. The headaches that come with hosting mail are<br class="gmail_msg">
certainly non-trivial. If I didn't have such security concerns (nature<br class="gmail_msg">
of our client types), I'd offload email to a provider in a heartbeat.<br class="gmail_msg">
It's a right PITA.<br class="gmail_msg">
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have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould<br class="gmail_msg">
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