<div dir="ltr">Gmail has a 'Forwarding and POP/IMAP' tab on its settings. And I found my IMAP is enabled. Maybe I did it long time ago. I think both IMAP and POP are obsolete and against productivity, standard or not. I'm disabling the IMAP and see what happens...</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:57 PM, B.S. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bs27975@yahoo.ca" target="_blank">bs27975@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">> Google has IMAP and SMTP interfaces. I haven’t done any real testing but I’m<br>
> pretty sure they’re adhering to the RFCs.<br>
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</span>They don't.<br>
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The very presence of labels instead of real folders demonstrates that.<br>
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I'm not saying labels don't make sense, but not being RFC, and developers wanting to stick with RFCs, not moving target googleisms, means that non-google use of gmail will always be problematic to at least some extent.<br>
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> Well you could argue that for any MUA; what constitutes right? There are dozens<br>
> of workflows, ways to implement filtering, quoting, spell/grammar check,<br>
> flagging…<br>
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</span>Right, but what I was referring to there were your comments regarding user interface, especially across platforms.<br>
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However, when the underlying e-mail store / platform doesn't adhere to standards, non-google implementations will always be beat.<br>
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Not saying I disagree with your usage / presentment comments, merely, be fair. It's not that others can't get gmail right, it's that gmail doesn't play nice. That is indisputable.<br>
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> gmail web interface. Millions more use Outlook and are happy.<br>
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</span>I think more likely millions and gmail users just use what's in front of them, however it appears or works today, and lives with it.<br>
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> It’s us, the unreasonable ones who want the ultimate MUA who are frustrated.<br>
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</span>Mmm, not entirely. The basic point about this thread is ... it (tb) WAS/is working (sufficiently well) / ain't broken ... leave it be, return to its original purpose, don't abandon it. E-mail is a solved problem, stop (mozilla) from morphing it into something else. E-mail is what it is, leave it be (mozilla).<br>
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</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:31 PM, B.S. <<a href="mailto:bs27975@yahoo.ca">bs27975@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Be 'fair' ... gmail is non-standard, and a moving target. Thus only<br>
> google will 'get it right' (for their definition of right, ==<br>
> non-standard), never mind across platforms, like web / chrome / android /<br>
> chromecast. And, thus, the web interface.<br>
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> Google has IMAP and SMTP interfaces. I haven’t done any real testing but I’m<br>
> pretty sure they’re adhering to the RFCs.<br>
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>> By definition, then, others will never be able to 'do it right.’<br>
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> Well you could argue that for any MUA; what constitutes right? There are dozens<br>
> of workflows, ways to implement filtering, quoting, spell/grammar check,<br>
> flagging…<br>
><br>
> Getting the email from there to here is trivial. The trouble is all about how to<br>
> present it to the user and allow the user to manipulate it. Thunderbird was<br>
> pretty good. I’m suriving with Mail.app. Thousands (millions?) are fine with the<br>
> gmail web interface. Millions more use Outlook and are happy.<br>
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> It’s us, the unreasonable ones who want the ultimate MUA who are frustrated.<br>
> Everyone else just learns to adapt and deal with it.<br>
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> -A.<br>
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