<div dir="ltr"><div>This dude's tone makes me less inclined to believe what he has to say. And the big lie he purports to be exposing is something I gathered from a cursory glance at a couple of articles, including the Hanselman one.<br><br></div>Mind you, I've actually worked in .NET. So I have a reasonable idea of the stuff they're talking about. (Tho if you haven't done any .NET development, I'm not sure why you'd care...)<br><br>Darcy.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Jeff Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crankyoldbugger@gmail.com" target="_blank">crankyoldbugger@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Here's an article on how .net is _not_ open source, but lazy reporters will tell you otherwise...<div><br></div><div><a href="http://techrights.org/2014/11/12/openwashing-lockin/" target="_blank">http://techrights.org/2014/11/12/openwashing-lockin/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div>> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 11:54:28 -0500<br>> From: <a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com" target="_blank">kb@2bits.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] <a href="http://ASP.NET" target="_blank">ASP.NET</a> 5 for Linux?<div><div class="h5"><br>> <br>> I agree.<br>> <br>> No one who is using FLOSS stacks will jump to .NET just because it is<br>> now MIT licensed and open source.<br>> <br>> But, for shops who use .NET already, and pondering a move to a Linux<br>> stack, they may consider staying with .NET and having minimal changes<br>> for it to work, rather than rewrite everything.<br>> <br>> So, maybe it is a customer retention move on Microsoft's part ...<br>> <br>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Ralph Janke <<a href="mailto:txwikinger@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">txwikinger@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > Well, it means that M$ has started to understand that the world has<br>> > changed through FLOSS, and they have to go with the time.<br>> ><br>> > Generally, I would be very careful about the t&c behind it. I have<br>> > not looked at the actual licenses and the restrictions or underlying<br>> > IP, which often is a problem.<br>> ><br>> > ASP.Net and C# are not as mind blowing that I would change from<br>> > a traditional FLOSS language to it. In particular, most of the time<br>> > the libraries that are available under the fitting FLOSS license<br>> > are more important.<br>> ><br>> > However, I think it is a good path for current ASP/NET developers<br>> > to find their way into FLOSS, and hence a further strengthening<br>> > of the FLOSS community.<br>> ><br>> > tx<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On 2014-11-13 10:21, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> I am not sure what to make of it.<br>> >><br>> >> Could be admission that the tech world has changed a lot and they are<br>> >> no longer dominant, with the proliferation of Linux in the server<br>> >> market, and Apple/Android in the mobile market.<br>> >><br>> >> Could be a desperate move trying to look nice and appeal to some who<br>> >> are considering moving to a Linux stack (Java, ...)<br>> >><br>> >> I can't think of how this would fit their old pattern of Embrace,<br>> >> Extend, Extinguish. They can't do that anymore across the board given<br>> >> the above.<br>> >><br>> >> C# is actually a decent language. They learned from forking Java, and<br>> >> fixed some of Java's misgivings in C#. They build .NET to be a<br>> >> bytecode like JVM. The major shortcoming of .NET is that it was<br>> >> Windows only. Perhaps they are trying to fix that. Now, can they<br>> >> really do that? With all the APIs that call Windows specific stuff?<br>> >> --<br>> >> Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>> >> <a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">2bits.com</a>, Inc.<br>> >> Fast Reliable Drupal<br>> >> Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.<br>> >> Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra<br>> >> Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci<br>> >> For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple,<br>> >> and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> kwlug-disc mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br>> >> <a href="http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > txwikinger<br>> ><br>> > Long live free/libre software<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > kwlug-disc mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br>> > <a href="http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Khalid M. 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