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OK. Let me try to navigate the treacherous waters here...<br>
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Can someone explain the philosophical differences (because those
appear to be what the most fervent anti/proponents of systemd hinge
arguments on) between systemd (anti-UNIX evil!) and something like
busybox (super-cool tool!)?<br>
<br>
I can imagine a situation where a Grand-Unified boot/OS mgmt system
is a "good" thing. Phones, Internet-of-Things things, tablets, cars,
toasters, etc. Simplify(?), strip out unnecessary complication and
have a single entity control the bits. Think of all the race
conditions that will have to find a new place to live. One binary
to make everything work. Think of the bits that can be saved, the
permutations of various competing services that no longer have to be
mediated/refereed, the log files that no longer have to be read
because they are not readable, the automated testing nirvana...<br>
<br>
Would I want to build a cluster of machines around such an
architecture? No. Just like I would not want to use busybox for my
utilities and services in that setting. Could I? Sure. It is
about choice. If I was outfitting a power/storage/performace
limited device with narrow requirements? I know that it is often
the correct choice. That is what open source is about: many correct
choices - you get to pick the best one for your application.<br>
<br>
Regardless of how bad systemd is, the intent of those who espouse it
and what the ultimate objectives of systemd are, open source has a
fail-safe solution: fork it! <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/19/2014 08:18 PM, Khalid
Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">More on systemd <br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.infoworld.com/print/248436">http://www.infoworld.com/print/248436</a><br>
<br>
While systemd has succeeded in its original goals, it's not
stopping there. systemd is becoming the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svchost" target="_blank">Svchost</a>
<span class="">[5]</span> of Linux -- which I don't think most
Linux folks want. You see, systemd is growing, like wildfire,
well outside the bounds of enhancing the Linux boot experience.
systemd wants to control most, if not all, of the fundamental
functional aspects of a Linux system -- <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bZId5j2jREQ/U-vlysklvCI/AAAAAAAACrA/B4JggkVJi38/w426-h284/bd0fb252416206158627fb0b1bff9b4779dca13f.gif"
target="_blank">from authentication to mounting shares to
network configuration to syslog to cron</a> <span class="">[6]</span>.
It wants to do so as essentially a monolithic entity that
obscures what's happening behind the scenes.<br>
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But there are also 45 years of history behind Unix and extremely
good reasons it's still flourishing. Tools designed like systemd
do not fit the Linux mold, to their own detriment. Systemd's
design has more in common with Windows than with Unix -- down to
the binary logging.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Khalid
Baheyeldin <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kb@2bits.com" target="_blank">kb@2bits.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Yet another article on systemd from someone
who has been around for a while, and does not like the
all-in-one concept that it forces on people ...<br>
<br>
I agree with the gist of it, not the rant-ish tone though
...<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459"
target="_blank">https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459</a><span
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-- <br>
Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://2bits.com"
target="_blank">2bits.com</a>, Inc.</font></span>
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