<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:8pt"><div><span>Khalid,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>A few couple of questions: </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>How do you define "many minutes" local and to the US? are we talking about 5,000 minutes or 20,000 minutes
per month?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span style="background-color: transparent; ">Are those minutes to many numbers or to a limited number of locations?</span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>Depending on how you want to use it there are many different solutions with voip.ms</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue',
Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>For Canadian number it is 99 cents per month plus the e911 that i think is $1.95. And the amount of features are awesome (e.g. Call forward and DISA, call transfer, unlimited extensions, etc) and 1/2 cent per minute almost anywhere in Canada (I think the Yukon is 1 cent).</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>If you have people that you call regularly in the States you could set up a virtual number there and have them call you, That's what I do for Mexico. My parents don't pay for local calls in Mexico, and I don't pay any extra for incoming calls from that line.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; ">If people in your family usually call the same people for those long calls, you can set up an ATA at the remote location (about $70) and just call extension to extension which is free. That applies for anywhere in the world where there is an internet connection to connect the ATA</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family:
HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; ">Alternatively they can set up a SIP client (soft-phone) on the computer or on the smartphone and use it as an extension. </div><div style="background-color: transparent; "><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; ">To give you an idea of cost: I pay about $13 a month and that includes, </div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; ">- my line with e911 (this line does not get much use as everybody at home uses cell phones)</div><div
style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; ">- A virtual phone number in Mexico at a flat $9 per month. Here sometimes we rack 4,000 or 5,000 minutes</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; ">- On my cell phone plan I can set up one free number that I can call to as much as I want (something like "my five"). I did set up my home phone as my free number, I then up a DISA on my DID. When I call home from my cell phone, it asks me for a code, and gives me a tone for me to dial anywhere, so pretty much all the calls from the cell phone would cost 1 cent per minute which can save a ton on cell charges.</div><div style="background-color:
transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; "><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; ">Plus added advantages. I configured it such as, when my parents call my Mexican line, They receive a menu "press 1 to call me at home, press 2 to call me at my cell". that way they can always reach me</div><div></div><div> </div><div>Raul Suarez
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<br>An eclectic collection of random thoughts</div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block; "> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; "> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, October 25, 2013 12:38:36 AM, unsolicited <unsolicited@swiz.ca> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container">There was a thread some time ago about alarm system and voip, I forget <br clear="none">whom - was a new move to a new subdivision. Solved eventually through a <br clear="none">settings change on the ATA, I believe, but it took some sleuthing to <br clear="none">find. (And ultimately the multiple techs consulted learned something new.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">What may also work for you:<br clear="none"><br
clear="none">- I am assuming you wish to continue to use your regular land line phone <br clear="none">sets for all conversations. Especially since you likely have to have <br clear="none">physical copper to which the security system connects to. (What happens <br clear="none">beyond the copper connection being transparent.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">An SPA3102 type device will let you connect your land line and register <br clear="none">with a voip provider - so will let you exercise voip until you're <br clear="none">confident in it. When you are, disconnect the land line - no other <br clear="none">changes needed. [Oksana does this, and at last report is very happy with <br clear="none">it. I believe with unlimitel, before it changed, and before voip.ms was <br clear="none">discussed on the list as being the best candidate.] It will also let you <br clear="none">do cost routing - e.g. landline for local, voip for long distance, <br
clear="none">automagically.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- SPA3012 and SPA siblings may be hard to find. I have seen references <br clear="none">that PAP replacements Linksys came out with are not near the same <br clear="none">quality. Avoid in favour of other units (which I don't recall off the <br clear="none">top of my head).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If you're ready to give up on the landline, the SPA little brothers (I <br clear="none">forget models) [John will know.] will do to provide the voip / telephone <br clear="none">set connection.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- although you can take these devices with you wherever you go, they <br clear="none">have enough bulk that you probably don't want to. If you are looking for <br clear="none">the portability of something like a magicJack instead or as well, you <br clear="none">may be into a multi-provider situation. (Which not be unacceptable to <br clear="none">you - especially if
you forward one to the other, unless or until you <br clear="none">actually travel.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The one gotcha in this is although you can forward many voip providers <br clear="none">to the one you register (letting you receive calls from any provider), <br clear="none">the SPA's will normally only let you dial out voip via one provider. <br clear="none">(You can set special speed dial codes to get around that.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">More current units may let you register with more than 1 voip provider, <br clear="none">and avoid that.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regardless, softphones will work both ways with however many providers <br clear="none">you like - they're able to register more than once.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">For provider choosing, you can exercise as many as you like via <br clear="none">softphones, with no other changes - letting you investigate / gain <br clear="none">confidence with a
provider before actually pulling a trigger. Letting <br clear="none">you deal with the hardware side separately in the mean time.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 13-10-24 10:25 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br clear="none">> I am reviving an old thread, since I am in the market for replacing my land<br clear="none">> line.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Currently Bell charges ~ $34 a month with no features at all. The only<br clear="none">> thing that is stopping me is that we have a monitored alarm system that<br clear="none">> requires a land line. Some people tried to connect the alarm system to the<br clear="none">> pseudo land line coming into the VoIP device, and it worked with some<br clear="none">> systems. Most reported it does not work though. My current company requires<br clear="none">> something like $600 to upgrade the keypad to add a cellular option instead<br clear="none">> of the
land line, and add $10 a month for that.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I use a lot of minutes to the USA, and others in the house us a lot of<br clear="none">> local minutes, so pure voip.ms may not cut it. Even with a DID and $4.95 a<br clear="none">> month (Kitchener Waterloo) for incoming, there is still a $0.01 per minute<br clear="none">> outgoing.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> MagicJack seems iffy if you transfer your current number to them, so don't<br clear="none">> want to risk that with a company that does not have phone support.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Currently considering Ooma. It is a hardware VoiP device that offers almost<br clear="none">> free calls to Canada (almost because you pay $4 a month in taxes and<br clear="none">> government fees, and you get 911).<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> If you want unlimited US calling, then you do it for $10 a month.<br
clear="none">><br clear="none">> And they have a 30 day trial, after which you can return it, or switch your<br clear="none">> current number to it.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> It is sold at Costco (online only) with a WiFi adapers<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.costco.ca/.product.576100.html" target="_blank">http://www.costco.ca/.product.576100.html</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Or at BestBuy/Futureshop retail with a Bluetooth adapter (for those who<br clear="none">> don't have handsets)<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/ooma-ooma-telo-voip-internet-phone-system-with-bluetooth-adapter-telo-canadabt/10216459.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/ooma-ooma-telo-voip-internet-phone-system-with-bluetooth-adapter-telo-canadabt/10216459.aspx</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Any one tried that?<br clear="none">>
Anyone has voip.ms with many family members talking locally and to the USA?<br clear="none">> Anyone has a monitored alarm with a VoiP system or cellular? Which company?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Colin Mackay<<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:zixiekat@gmail.com" href="mailto:zixiekat@gmail.com">zixiekat@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>> I currently use voip.ms. It's not free, but it is pay as you go.<br clear="none">>> Currently I spend about $25 every three-four months for my 519 number.<br clear="none">>> They charge $5.95 / month for the phone number and in US/Can it's something<br clear="none">>> like $0.0052 per minute. (0.52 cents)<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Example: In April I spent 04h 41m 39s on the phone. It cost $1.58875 for<br clear="none">>> that time.<br
clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> I've never found a reliable 'free' solution that doesn't cost some amount<br clear="none">>> of money initially. For a while, you could pay Fongo $50 for plain old SIP<br clear="none">>> access and use whatever device you wanted, but that changed. Now it's an<br clear="none">>> ATA you purchase and I can't comment on their reliability.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> I just use a small PC as an asterisk server and a Linksys ATA to let my<br clear="none">>> old fashioned phones work, but you could just use a free SIP softphone to<br clear="none">>> talk directly to voip.ms...<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> --<br clear="none">> Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br clear="none">> 2bits.com, Inc.<br clear="none">> Fast Reliable Drupal<br clear="none">> Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.<br
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