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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Yes, they'll approve some Android applications. No <VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>idea of their success rate both from the technical and business approval perspective.</SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I didn't see how they are approaching developers, what steps they are doing to make it easier "We are taking steps" doesn't give me much.</SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> John Van Ostrand <john@netdirect.ca><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc@kwlug.org> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:52:02 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [kwlug-disc] RIM VP on apps and open source<BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>I was reading for RIM's benefit not open source's. RIM is important to this community and I think to Canada so I focussed on that.<BR><BR>The positives for RIM are the comments about RIMs financial strength and the word to
developers that they will continue to exist; the between the lines message that RIM hired an ex developer for relations; the statement that they are looking at the problems seen in other environments. I hope this insight and the opportunity to re-invent gives them a leapfrog advantage.<BR><BR>Most of the side-steps were reasonable, like not being part of the BBM group. The Netflix probably fell within his purview but I think he made it clear it wasn't an important item for RIM. He side stepped the question about early release, but this is marketing and I think it was wise to avoid that.<BR><BR>The anti-open source message about QNX is disappointing. Is that really FUD about android? I have a tablet and lots of the apps seem to be calling home. I'm tired of apps that ask for a wide range of permissions just to play a game and only work when they have wifi access. I don't like the idea of a walled garden either but I'm not convinced that is the case for
the Playbook.<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>> Yes,<BR>> <BR>> All the answers were wishi washi and dismisive of the concerns of the<BR>> users/clients<BR>> <BR>> The comment about open source tells me he doesn't understand the<BR>> model. The FUD about android.<BR>> <BR>> I'll ask you the question: what do you see as positive?<BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> On Tue, 17 Jan, 2012 9:44 AM EST John Van Ostrand wrote:<BR>> <BR>> >You think that was negative?<BR>> ><BR>> >----- Original Message -----<BR>> >> Wow. With friends like these RIM needs no enemies.<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Raul Suarez<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Technology consultant<BR>> >> Software, Hardware and Practices<BR>> >> _________________<BR>> >> Twitter: rarsamx<BR>>
>> <A href="http://rarsa.blogspot.com/" target=_blank>http://rarsa.blogspot.com/</A><BR>> >> An eclectic collection of random thoughts<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> From: L.D. Paniak <<A href="mailto:ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com" ymailto="mailto:ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com">ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com</A>><BR>> >> To: KWLUG discussion <<A href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" ymailto="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</A>><BR>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:10:18 AM<BR>> >> Subject: [kwlug-disc] RIM VP on apps and open source<BR>> >><BR>> >> VP for developer relations on the state of affairs and FLOSS FUD:<BR>> >><BR>> >> <A href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/01/11/f-rim-blackberry-ces.html"
target=_blank>http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/01/11/f-rim-blackberry-ces.html</A><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>> >> kwlug-disc mailing list<BR>> >> <A href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" ymailto="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</A><BR>> >> <A href="http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target=_blank>http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</A><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>> >> kwlug-disc mailing list<BR>> >> <A href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" ymailto="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</A><BR>> >> <A href="http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target=_blank>http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</A><BR>> ><BR>>
>--<BR>> >John Van Ostrand<BR>> >CTO, co-CEO<BR>> >Net Direct Inc.<BR>> >564 Weber St. N. Unit 12, Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6<BR>> >Ph: 866-883-1172 x5102<BR>> >Fx: 519-883-8533<BR>> ><BR>> >Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >_______________________________________________<BR>> >kwlug-disc mailing list<BR>> ><A href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" ymailto="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</A><BR>> ><A href="http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target=_blank>http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</A><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> kwlug-disc mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" ymailto="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org"
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