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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:46:43 -0500<br>
From: Chris Irwin <<a href="mailto:chris@chrisirwin.ca">chris@chrisirwin.ca</a>><br>
To: KWLUG discussion <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Palm replacement? Android pad?<br>
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 17:59, Khalid Baheyeldin <<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com">kb@2bits.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> If you can make do with something the same size of a Pam, then a used<br>
> unlocked Android phone should do the job.<br>
><br>
> You can get them used off Kijiji. For example, a 4" Sony Ericsson Xperia<br>
> X10<br>
> is $275 or thereabouts. Some cost more ($400-500), others can be $150 to<br>
> $200. I got the oldish G1 for a friend for just $125. It is not the most<br>
> responsive<br>
> device though.<br>
><br>
<br>
Coincidently came across my feeds today:<br>
<br>
"Samsung was showing off two new WiFi-only Android devices based on the<br>
popular Galaxy S smartphone."<br>
<br>
"not divulging pricing information at this time, though apparently<br>
representatives suggested it would be "extremely competitive with the iPod<br>
touch.""<br>
<br>
Considering the iPod Touch runs about $250, this might be a feasible option<br>
-- when it actually arrives.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/02/samsung-aims-for-ipod-touch-with-wifi-only-galaxy-s-variants.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss" target="_blank">http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/02/samsung-aims-for-ipod-touch-with-wifi-only-galaxy-s-variants.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss</a><br>
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I've actually got an Android Tablet in the form of a Barnes & Noble "Nook<br>
Color". They run about $250 in the US. It is probably not the target device<br>
for the average user since to actually use it as a "real" android tablet it<br>
must be either rooted or flashed. I actually just stock Android on mine<br>
right from SD (Easier to backup and upgrade).<br>
<br>
So far I've found using Android, even a community supported build, to be<br>
much better than my Nokia n810. Still not as seamless as my old Palm Vx<br>
(It's been ten years! seriously!), but it also does considerably more:<br>
Email, Browsing, Movie theatre show times, Angry Birds....<br>
<br>
That said, I still think Palm "has" it in the software space, though<br>
different from the old PalmOS way. I wouldn't ditch my Pre for an android<br>
phone, but I did find the screen just a little too small to try and organize<br>
my calendar, etc. Their tablet might be worth a look, but I don't know when<br>
or how much...<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/index.html</a><br>
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Chris Irwin<br>
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</blockquote><div><br><br>I still have some 8 inch Android 2.2 Tabs <a href="mailto:davidchristensen42@gmail.com">davidchristensen42@gmail.com</a> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:07:46 -0500<br>
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Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Palm replacement? Android pad?<br>
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:46:43 -0500, Chris Irwin <<a href="mailto:chris@chrisirwin.ca">chris@chrisirwin.ca</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> So far I've found using Android, even a community supported build, to be<br>
> much better than my Nokia n810. Still not as seamless as my old Palm Vx<br>
> (It's been ten years! seriously!), but it also does considerably more:<br>
> Email, Browsing, Movie theatre show times, Angry Birds....<br>
><br>
> That said, I still think Palm "has" it in the software space, though<br>
> different from the old PalmOS way. I wouldn't ditch my Pre for an<br>
android<br>
> phone, but I did find the screen just a little too small to try and<br>
> organize<br>
> my calendar, etc. Their tablet might be worth a look, but I don't know<br>
when<br>
> or how much...<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/index.html</a><br>
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Palm 'had' it, you mean?<br>
<br>
Never made the transition to WebOS - nothing I've seen makes me want to.<br>
Not when it's incompatible with everything prior written for the Palms<br>
(without going into the goofiness of simulators or such).<br>
<br>
It seems to me WebOS moved the data to the cloud. My data is my data - it<br>
has no business being anywhere other than on my PDA, and backed up to the<br>
PC, with PC equivalent apps. It certainly doesn't belong on (in?) the<br>
cloud.<br>
<br>
Not speaking from experience here, merely my understanding of the<br>
situation and a significant reason as to why I haven't moved on.<br>
<br>
So, would you give up your Vx for your Pre?<br>
<br>
<br>
As for Android, Khalid has said they are getting better in this area.<br>
<br>
I just wish they would downsize from the PC, e.g. Evolution / Korganizer /<br>
PALM DESKTOP!, where the richness of content, functionality, and<br>
interoperability, exists, even if only to a different, 100% compatible, PDA<br>
app, rather than try to upsize web apps that were limited by the state of<br>
HTML at the time of their creation. We seem to be going backwards.<br>
<br>
The closest thing I've seen these days is Pimlical, and even then it's not<br>
quire 'real', yet, as far as I know - <a href="http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/" target="_blank">http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/</a>. As<br>
far as I know, it too uses Google, but surrounds everything with additional<br>
code/apis to add in the necessary data structures and code to approximate<br>
the richness of the functionality of the old apps.<br>
<br>
The loss of sync'ing, such as it was, from KDE 3 to 4, is<br>
disheartening. Supposedly being worked on, but 'not here now'. And if<br>
you're using the pim, 'not here now' is just not acceptable. So, I'm in the<br>
'hurry up and wait', stage.<br>
<br>
A friend just dropped her Palm - it died. Treo 680's (last pre-WebOS<br>
smartphone, never going back to 2 devices) seem to be getting scarcer.<br>
PANIC!<br>
<br>
<br>
John - if Mary is like many, heart palpitations at the thought of a day<br>
without her PDA, you may want to pick up an old Palm in the mean time. And<br>
if not, heart palpitations that is, perhaps begin work on traversing the<br>
Android learning curve sooner rather than later - the Palm, she gonna die<br>
sooner or later, and when it does, your life won't be pleasant. (Why is it<br>
OUR fault that THEIR Palm died and they don't make them any more ...)<br>
<br>
<br>
I still have 8 inch Android 2.2 Tablets <a href="mailto:davidchristensen42@gmail.com">davidchristensen42@gmail.com</a><br>
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