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I'm actually mildly interested in this. I've done a lot of different
things over the years, dial up, wireles antennae on top of my house,
fibre, DSL, etc. Right now I'm stuck on a DSL connection that is like
3.5 up and .5 down and I'd consider moving if I could get 5 both ways
or something. Reliability would be an issue since I use voip for my
home business.<br>
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On 01/02/11 01:48 PM, Colin Mackay wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTi=yFWDiTh=psQGYov11XQHAOeh6bSHE31wOg1w2@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I was thinking less of a connection for everyone and
anyone, just keep it with a large clique of trusted people, paying the
monthly costs of the internet connection(s). The only issue I'd see,
of course, is the trust. It only takes one fool to perform illegal
activities and ruin the whole thing.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:42 PM, R. Brent
Clements <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rbclemen@gmail.com">rbclemen@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">All
attempts to blanket a populated area will be squashed by the firms<br>
that expect to be able to charge for those services.<br>
<br>
If we could find one endpoint and a network of appartment buildings in<br>
close proximity to each other to create an initial web that can<br>
leverage the increased residential unit density, we could make a good<br>
start. We may also want to look into providing a cost-effective<br>
low-bandwith solution to rent controlled townhouse complexes in<br>
exchange for physical locations to create bridges.<br>
<br>
My business partner and I have thought about this kind of thing<br>
before. but without someone with enough clout to provide an<br>
unencumbered backbone connection and the ability to stand up to the<br>
CRTC when we actually become large enough to be a threat to them, it<br>
seems moot.<br>
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Brent<br>
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On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Insurance Squared Inc.<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gcooke@insurancesquared.com">gcooke@insurancesquared.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> I'm sure we have the skills. I suspect the skills aren't even that<br>
> difficult. The problem is getting an endpoint for the wireless
traffic and<br>
> dumping that onto the web somehow that doesn't involve Bell.<br>
><br>
> And that end point connection isn't initially scalable. Someone's
got to<br>
> have something like a fibre line and those aren't cheap. However
if you<br>
> have one, I'd be happy to piggy back on yours :).<br>
><br>
> Google even tried to blanket San Francisco with free wireless.
FAIL.<br>
><br>
> On a bit of a tangent, I personally know there's at least five
tech folks<br>
> within line of site of Colin's house. Myself, three web designers
who work<br>
> from home and a Google employee. One could probably make it work.
Except<br>
> then you've got to bring in Atria. I've priced it out to bring
them in to<br>
> my house, near Colin's, and it was about $25K.<br>
><br>
> It's an interesting idea. But to date no one's been able to pull
it off.<br>
><br>
> On 01/02/11 01:25 PM, Colin Mackay wrote:<br>
><br>
> Neat.<br>
><br>
> Well, I'd be willing to start something in the near future, not
really sure<br>
> how to architect the whole thing, but it would be interesting.
Problem is,<br>
> of course, that I am in New Hamburg. I have an excellent sight
line east,<br>
> south and west and was planning (hoping?) to put up a TV tower
this summer.<br>
> At least we could share Linux distros! I wonder, if we ended up
with a<br>
> large enough network, lets say in 5 years we manage to collect a
thousand<br>
> interlinked nodes and even managed to VPN between other
geographical areas<br>
> that have the same network... Could make for an interesting
private<br>
> network. If we encrypted all traffic and data and built it out.
Start<br>
> Internet 2 out as a distributed, encrypted cloud, kind of like
Freenet.<br>
><br>
> Ah, pipe dreams. :) I'm sure the government would complain once
it got too<br>
> big. Still, it'd be fun to create. Do we have the skills
necessary, in the<br>
> LUG, to work out requirements for an encrypted, wide area mesh
network?<br>
> Hardware and software, of course.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:13 PM, L.D. Paniak <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com">ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Bender, is that you?<br>
>><br>
>> You can cover a lot of ground with directed 80211a
point-to-point links<br>
>> eg:<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=107"
target="_blank">http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=107</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/popup_add_image.php?imagesID=85&osCsid=206f1915f49fa0097ecf85245a97278c&products_id=107"
target="_blank">http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/popup_add_image.php?imagesID=85&osCsid=206f1915f49fa0097ecf85245a97278c&products_id=107</a>'<br>
>><br>
>> One could make the hardware rather maintenance-free/
redundant, but the<br>
>> whole system would cost money. I'd envision a non-profit
organization<br>
>> over-seeing the show.<br>
>><br>
>> The real trick is to get a proper internet portal to direct
all the<br>
>> traffic through. Retail is not going to do. I would include
Atria(aka<br>
>> Rogers) in that category. One needs to completely circumvent
the<br>
>> gibberish of the CRTC and talk to wholesale vendors.<br>
>><br>
>> Think Bell will let us coloc a wireless "a" bridge at one of
their COs?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:08 -0500, Colin Mackay wrote:<br>
>> > Modified Futurama quote: (Sorry.)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > "Oh, no room for us on the internet, huh? Fine! I'll go
build my own<br>
>> > internet, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the
internet and<br>
>> > the blackjack! Ahh, screw the whole thing!"<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I've often wondered what it would be like to get a large
area mesh<br>
>> > network setup, the only issue I see is trusting everyone;
who would<br>
>> > own the final connection to the net? What if it goes
down and the<br>
>> > person is on vacation; we can't get in to fix it? How do
we connect<br>
>> > those that are a little farther away? Do we need
multiple entry<br>
>> > points?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > It could end up costing quite a bit, in the long run...<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Adam Glauser <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:adamglauser@gmail.com">adamglauser@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> > On 2/1/2011 11:34 AM, L.D. Paniak wrote:<br>
>> > You wants to build a mesh network on the
west side of<br>
>> > Kitchener?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Is there an ISP that will offer a service that is
allowed to<br>
>> > be shared in this way? Atria maybe?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Let's assume that one of us had a fibre
connection available,<br>
>> > and that the service agreement allowed sharing.
What does<br>
>> > Atria change per GB for usage? I wonder what
sort of usage<br>
>> > terms would be required for equitable cost
distribution in<br>
>> > such a scheme.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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