Interesting for hack value.<br><br>But would take more space and consume more power than off the shelf<br>consumer embedded routers. Some of those have the hackability factor<br>too with OpenWRT, and that is what we are looking for for a home/small<br>
office appliance.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Lori Paniak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com">ldpaniak@fourpisolutions.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Instead of looking for proper hardware, why don't you build it yourself:<br>
<br>
Take an old PC (lots of USB, SATA, video...) and put a low power CPU in<br>
it. Load the PCI(E) slots or USB up with your favourite Wifi radios and<br>
install the x86 version of OpenWRT for a mondo appliance. You could<br>
have a 7 radio CRTC magnet. Poor neighbors.<br>
<br>
The Atom systems from Intel give low power (<35W) platforms you can<br>
craft with your choice of x86 distro.<br>
<br>
Debian Live is a good way to build an appliance with all the goodness of<br>
the deb way. Burn your image onto a USB stick et voila!<br>
<br>
Does that sound too much like a talk proposal?<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 16:23 -0500, unsolicited wrote:<br>
> Yep.<br>
><br>
> You want the functionality, you want the capability, you want the<br>
> commercial quality (5km outside range), you're not going to get<br>
> factory direct prices.<br>
><br>
> The public retail market will never deliver this. You will never buy<br>
> all of this from Best Buy.<br>
><br>
> $200 to make the problem go away is peanuts. If we're lucky, that's<br>
> $200 CDN.<br>
><br>
> Slap a waterproof cover on this, and you've got building to building.<br>
><br>
> Not that I care about the commercial possibilities of this (but I'd<br>
> gladly help people out to do so) - I just want the issue put to bed.<br>
><br>
> What's our time worth to keep waiting and searching and looking and ...<br>
><br>
> Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 01/15/2010 4:11 PM:<br>
> > One more thing about the Ubiquity (from reading the thread): it is kind<br>
> > of "bare".<br>
> > You need to buy a wireless card, a cover, ...etc. This makes it closer<br>
> > to $200,<br>
> > rather than the under $100 all in one routers.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:44 PM, unsolicited <<a href="mailto:unsolicited@swiz.ca">unsolicited@swiz.ca</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:unsolicited@swiz.ca">unsolicited@swiz.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Agreed. I'm in.<br>
> ><br>
> > I believe the Ubiquity RouterStation Pro<br>
> > (<a href="http://www.ubnt.com/products/rspro.php" target="_blank">http://www.ubnt.com/products/rspro.php</a>) is the box, given its<br>
> > flexibility, but it's not local. So what. I'm guessing Cedric bought<br>
> > <a href="http://www.ubnt.com/airview/" target="_blank">http://www.ubnt.com/airview/</a>, given his presentation, so he already<br>
> > understands the lines of supply to Ubiquity.<br>
> ><br>
> > It's their product line that confuses me, and that this is a bare<br>
> > board with multiple mini-pci slots. But I expect sufficient<br>
> > expertise is around to grok this. And put a cover on it.<br>
> ><br>
> > It wouldn't surprise me if we could sell this (via Cedric / John?).<br>
> > As you say Bob, it's a matter of local expertise, and having the<br>
> > product in hand. Any SMB/SOHO could use one, we could all use one.<br>
> > Especially if it relayed current wi-fi. i.e. Facilities could use it<br>
> > to provide wi-fi internet access to the public while keeping their<br>
> > own internal networks secure - with one (black) box.<br>
> ><br>
> > Why? Because it's nails the current need to the floor for a good<br>
> > long while - fire and forget. We're all tired of waiting for the<br>
> > latest hardware to solve this problem and be done with it. It's<br>
> > taken way, way, to much eye space and time.<br>
> ><br>
> > Anyone else interested?<br>
> ><br>
> > Robert P. J. Day wrote, On 01/15/2010 10:21 AM:<br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > every so often, i look around to see if there's a new,<br>
> > openwrt-ideal<br>
> > router out there. and by openwrt-ideal, i mean:<br>
> ><br>
> > * runs the latest version of openwrt with a 2.6 kernel<br>
> > * at least one USB 2.0 port (preferably two)<br>
> > * supports the graphical (luci) interface<br>
> > * etc, etc, you get the idea.<br>
> ><br>
> > Me too ... the development is behind the new models<br>
> > available at the<br>
> > large stores.<br>
> ><br>
> > Graphical interface is not a must for me. Command line or<br>
> > web based<br>
> > is fine.<br>
> ><br>
> > But to add to the list:<br>
> ><br>
> > * Wireless N support.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > i actually had tossed that in under the "etc, etc" part. :-)<br>
> > but if<br>
> > someone identifies such a router that's locally available, how<br>
> > about a<br>
> > kwlug project for a few people to each buy one, and then have the<br>
> > locals document the crap out of it and put that up at the kwlug site<br>
> > so others can do the same?<br>
> ><br>
> > from my experiences with the openwrt list, the biggest drawback for<br>
> > beginners to get into openwrt is:<br>
> ><br>
> > * deciding which router to buy, then<br>
> > * learning the hard way that that router has some deficiencies<br>
> ><br>
> > if enough kwlug people can agree on a particular router that would<br>
> > seem to fit most peoples' needs, we can collectively document<br>
> > exactly<br>
> > how to get it running out of the box, at which point a *lot* more<br>
> > people should be able to follow along.<br>
> ><br>
> > it's just a thought.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > <a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a> <<a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a>> mailing list<br>
> > <a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a> <<a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a>>@<a href="http://kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug.org</a><br>
> > <<a href="http://kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://kwlug.org</a>><br>
> > <a href="http://astoria.ccjclearline.com/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://astoria.ccjclearline.com/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>
> > <a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">2bits.com</a> <<a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">http://2bits.com</a>>, Inc.<br>
> > <a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">http://2bits.com</a><br>
> > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.<br>
> > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra<br>
> > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > <a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a> mailing list<br>
> > <a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a>@<a href="http://kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug.org</a><br>
> > <a href="http://astoria.ccjclearline.com/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://astoria.ccjclearline.com/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> <a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a> mailing list<br>
> <a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a>@<a href="http://kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://astoria.ccjclearline.com/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://astoria.ccjclearline.com/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br>
<br>
</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a> mailing list<br>
<a href="http://kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a>@<a href="http://kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug.org</a><br>
<a href="http://astoria.ccjclearline.com/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org" target="_blank">http://astoria.ccjclearline.com/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br><a href="http://2bits.com">2bits.com</a>, Inc.<br><a href="http://2bits.com">http://2bits.com</a><br>Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.<br>
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra<br>Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci<br>