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1. Re: Why does Gnome gets slow over time? (Rashkae)<br>
2. Re: Why does Gnome gets slow over time?<br>
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3. Re: DVCS advice needed (Kyle Spaans)<br>
4. Re: Why does Gnome gets slow over time? (Khalid Baheyeldin)<br>
5. Re: Why does Gnome gets slow over time? (unsolicited)<br>
6. The browser as the desktop (Khalid Baheyeldin)<br>
7. Re: DVCS advice needed (Darcy Casselman)<br>
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:06:42 -0400<br>
From: Rashkae <<a href="mailto:rashkae@tigershaunt.com">rashkae@tigershaunt.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Why does Gnome gets slow over time?<br>
To: KWLUG discussion <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>><br>
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Raul Suarez wrote:<br>
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>> Does it help OpenOffice (2.4) open quicker?<br>
> I think so.<br>
><br>
> Raul Suarez<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
It shouldn't help anything open quicker unless you have some rogue<br>
setting fouling things up. If you suspect something is queer with your<br>
config files, or just want to try for curiosity, you should just create<br>
a new user and log in as that user. If your applications are suddenly<br>
noticeably more responsive, then certainly you can experiment with<br>
zapping configuration files/directories until you find the culprit.<br>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:18:11 -0400<br>
From: "Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List Account)" <<a href="mailto:aklists@mixdown.ca">aklists@mixdown.ca</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Why does Gnome gets slow over time?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a><br>
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On October 4, 2009 06:24:03 pm Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
> default), or because I have 200+ tabs open (yes, a bad habit). KDE<br>
<br>
Holy Flagnog! I thought my wife was bad with a couple dozen windows open!<br>
<br>
-A.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:21:10 -0400<br>
From: Kyle Spaans <<a href="mailto:3lucid@gmail.com">3lucid@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] DVCS advice needed<br>
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Adam Glauser <<a href="mailto:adamglauser@gmail.com">adamglauser@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I have recently joined a small team of developers working on a proprietary<br>
> C#/<a href="http://ASP.NET" target="_blank">ASP.NET</a> application.<br>
<br>
I assume this means that the majority of the group will be doing their primary<br>
development in Windows? Until very recently, that has meant that Git wasn't a<br>
very good option for Windows users (changed with<br>
<a href="http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/" target="_blank">http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/</a>). I haven't used either Bazaar or Hg, but<br>
I hear they have very good Windows clients. I also don't use an IDE so I can't<br>
speak to that point. :P<br>
<br>
> Mercurial:<br>
> Larger user base than Bazaar<br>
> Closer to Bazaar than git for ease of use<br>
<br>
It's probably faster than Bazaar, but it's not as fast as Git. But<br>
that's not really<br>
an issue unless your codebase is very large (linux-esque or X-esque I guess).<br>
I did see a Software Engineering PhD presentation this Summer about how<br>
Hg was chosen over Git because of it's superior scripting ability. Hg is written<br>
in Python, which is a plus. This guy had built commit-hooks and checkin-hooks<br>
to make sure that any code in their repos would pass various units tests (and<br>
actually _build_ :P), which is cool if you're willing to go that far.<br>
<br>
> I've seen some comments that Git can track code as it moves between files.<br>
> ?Is this true, and if so, how does this look in practice?<br>
<br>
I'm not sure what you mean? Git lets you move or rename a file in the repository<br>
and it is all transparent in the history.<br>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:43:32 -0400<br>
From: Khalid Baheyeldin <<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com">kb@2bits.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Why does Gnome gets slow over time?<br>
To: KWLUG discussion <<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>><br>
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List Account) <<br>
<a href="mailto:aklists@mixdown.ca">aklists@mixdown.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> On October 4, 2009 06:24:03 pm Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
> > default), or because I have 200+ tabs open (yes, a bad habit). KDE<br>
><br>
> Holy Flagnog! I thought my wife was bad with a couple dozen windows open!<br>
><br>
<br>
Not windows, tabs. The number of Windows is normally around 7 or so.<br>
<br>
I said it is a bad habit.<br>
<br>
I found myself up to 240 over the weekend, and thought I should weed things<br>
out a bit. Now they are below 200.<br>
--<br>
Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>
<a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">2bits.com</a>, Inc.<br>
<a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">http://2bits.com</a><br>
Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.<br>
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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:05:06 -0400<br>
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Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Why does Gnome gets slow over time?<br>
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Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 10/05/2009 9:43 AM:<br>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List Account)<br>
> <<a href="mailto:aklists@mixdown.ca">aklists@mixdown.ca</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:aklists@mixdown.ca">aklists@mixdown.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On October 4, 2009 06:24:03 pm Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
> > default), or because I have 200+ tabs open (yes, a bad habit). KDE<br>
><br>
> Holy Flagnog! I thought my wife was bad with a couple dozen windows<br>
> open!<br>
><br>
><br>
> Not windows, tabs. The number of Windows is normally around 7 or so.<br>
><br>
> I said it is a bad habit.<br>
><br>
> I found myself up to 240 over the weekend, and thought I should weed things<br>
> out a bit. Now they are below 200.<br>
<br>
Is this the beginning of a paradigm shift from people using their<br>
inboxes as their todo list to using browser tabs?<br>
<br>
(Some day I'll get around to reading that article?)<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:18:11 -0400<br>
From: Khalid Baheyeldin <<a href="mailto:kb@2bits.com">kb@2bits.com</a>><br>
Subject: [kwlug-disc] The browser as the desktop<br>
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:05 AM, unsolicited <<a href="mailto:unsolicited@swiz.ca">unsolicited@swiz.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 10/05/2009 9:43 AM:<br>
><br>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List Account) <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:aklists@mixdown.ca">aklists@mixdown.ca</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:aklists@mixdown.ca">aklists@mixdown.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On October 4, 2009 06:24:03 pm Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
>> > default), or because I have 200+ tabs open (yes, a bad habit). KDE<br>
>><br>
>> Holy Flagnog! I thought my wife was bad with a couple dozen windows<br>
>> open!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Not windows, tabs. The number of Windows is normally around 7 or so.<br>
>><br>
>> I said it is a bad habit.<br>
>><br>
>> I found myself up to 240 over the weekend, and thought I should weed<br>
>> things<br>
>> out a bit. Now they are below 200.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Is this the beginning of a paradigm shift from people using their inboxes<br>
> as their todo list to using browser tabs?<br>
><br>
<br>
The reason is that for me the browser is the desktop.<br>
<br>
It has been like that for a long time for me, ever since I started using<br>
Yahoo Mail then Gmail then RSS.<br>
<br>
Too much stuff comes via that RSS channel (for which I use Google Reader,<br>
but<br>
there are many others out there).<br>
<br>
The RSS reader becomes yet another inbox with N items waiting to be read.<br>
So, I end up skipping the uninteresting ones and opening the interesting<br>
ones<br>
in a tab to read later. After a while you get, well, 240 tabs.<br>
<br>
Add to that the fact that I use web based applications, like Gmail, Google<br>
Calendar,<br>
and yes, the browser has become the desktop. For word processing and<br>
spreadsheets, I use Open Office, but I don't use any local email or calendar<br>
or contacts application.<br>
<br>
Development work is done from ssh via screen.<br>
<br>
I know of others who work that way too, with some variations (e.g. they are<br>
designers, so use Mac OS/X and Adobe's programs.<br>
--<br>
Khalid M. Baheyeldin<br>
<a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">2bits.com</a>, Inc.<br>
<a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">http://2bits.com</a><br>
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Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci<br>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:48:04 -0400<br>
From: Darcy Casselman <<a href="mailto:dscassel@gmail.com">dscassel@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] DVCS advice needed<br>
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Adam Glauser <<a href="mailto:adamglauser@gmail.com">adamglauser@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I have recently joined a small team of developers working on a proprietary<br>
> C#/<a href="http://ASP.NET" target="_blank">ASP.NET</a> application. ?None of us have extensive experience with version<br>
> control, but we want to get started with it.<br>
<br>
So no prior experience, and the primary target is .NET development in<br>
Visual Studio on Windows. Gotcha.<br>
<br>
First of all, using *any* source control tool is *much* better than no<br>
version control. If it comes down it, use Subversion. The tools are<br>
good and it's very stable. Merges suck, but small teams can avoid<br>
those. Also, *you* could use Bazaar (possibly git too, but this is<br>
something Bazaar was built for) with Subversion as a back-end<br>
repository.<br>
<br>
That said, if you're starting fresh, you're right, it makes sense to<br>
look at DVCS.<br>
<br>
If you don't have a lot of knowledge of DVCS, have a look over the<br>
Eric Sink article: <a href="http://www.ericsink.com/entries/dvcs_dag_1.html" target="_blank">http://www.ericsink.com/entries/dvcs_dag_1.html</a><br>
It's much more informative than, say, some video of Linus ranting<br>
about how git is awesome and everything else sucks. (Eric still comes<br>
out in favour it git, pretty much).<br>
<br>
(And for even more background, you can read his Source Control HOW-TO,<br>
but that mostly talks about the old, centralized models of version<br>
control. Still a worthy read.<br>
<a href="http://www.ericsink.com/scm/scm_basics.html" target="_blank">http://www.ericsink.com/scm/scm_basics.html</a> )<br>
<br>
> After doing some reading, here are my impressions of the three main<br>
> contenders.<br>
><br>
> Bazaar:<br>
> Focus on ease of use and flexibility of workflow.<br>
> Launchpad has been open-sourced, so we could run our own internal Launchpad,<br>
> which seems like a big benefit.<br>
<br>
I've been looking into Bazaar, and I like it a lot. Using it on its<br>
own, it seems perfectly straight-forward and easy to understand. It<br>
does its best to make you think you're working in the line model, even<br>
though you have most of the features you'd get from git or Mercurial.<br>
This is both good and bad. Part of using a DVCS is changing your<br>
mindset, and Bazaar doesn't demand that of you. If you want to<br>
pretend you're still using something pretty much like svn, but with<br>
this extra "push/pull" concept, then you can. That makes it easier<br>
for new users to grasp, which is good, but it also hides some of the<br>
value of using a DVCS if your team cares enough to put the effort into<br>
it.<br>
<br>
I like it because, yeah, cross platform support is really good.<br>
TortoiseBZR (the Explorer extension) is pretty slow, though. It seems<br>
like a lot of people turn it off. I didn't mind using it too much.<br>
<br>
Some big features like rebase are still very new in bzr, and I don't<br>
know if they're up to what a seasoned git user would expect.<br>
<br>
Support in Visual Studio consists of a very alpha integration. It<br>
works, and does what I want it to do (track adds and renames), but<br>
it's not easy to get it up and running. There's no binary release at<br>
the moment, only source.<br>
<br>
> Mercurial:<br>
> Larger user base than Bazaar<br>
> Closer to Bazaar than git for ease of use<br>
<br>
I don't have a lot to say about Mercurial, except that my initial<br>
impression was that its suppot on Windows was the best of the three.<br>
It's got an MSSCCI-based integration which isn't the best way to go,<br>
but probably better than the others have.<br>
<br>
> Git:<br>
> Powerful, but perhaps more complex than necessary.<br>
> Visual Studio integration by way of Git Extensions.<br>
<br>
Others can tell you more about why you should use git than I can. It<br>
has a lot of cachet, and the people I know who get into it really get<br>
into it. If you're managing a whole lot of source code coming at you<br>
from all sorts of directions, it seems like it's the way to go. And<br>
if you're happy working on the command line, more's the better.<br>
<br>
Windows is not a first-class platform for git. And Git Extensions is<br>
an add-in, which almost certainly doesn't work very well, because the<br>
add-in interface in Visual Studio is very limited. It's hard to find<br>
out too much about it without installing it (I don't want to install<br>
it), because it's lumped into the higher profile Explorer integration,<br>
which, again, doesn't give me confidence.<br>
<br>
> I've seen some comments that Git can track code as it moves between files.<br>
> ?Is this true, and if so, how does this look in practice? ?Can the other<br>
> DVCSes do this?<br>
<br>
I know Bazaar can't. I'm skeptical about how well git can.<br>
<br>
What makes me skeptical is that I want to run something like 'git<br>
blame' and see the history of that *file* since it was created, no<br>
matter how many times it was renamed or moved. I don't see how it can<br>
do that unless you tell it that that new file in that directory is<br>
actually that old file in the other directory.<br>
<br>
> For the IDE users out there, how important is it for version control to be<br>
> integrated in your experience?<br>
<br>
I think it's very important, but then my job for a number of years was<br>
writing IDE integrations for a proprietary ACM vendor. Most people<br>
using DVCS seem to think it's unnecessary, and get along happily with<br>
the command line. Having the IDE tracking adds, deletes, moves and<br>
renames just makes my life easier, and avoids broken builds when you<br>
forget to do those things manually. If you can make sure you're<br>
keeping track of that, then you probably don't need the integration.<br>
<br>
I also think it's nice to have visual indications of the state of my<br>
working copy in the IDE, but that's not that big a deal.<br>
<br>
Darcy.<br>
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