That's a good point. I could install it completely on another system.. install all the drivers<br>and allow rdp and then perhaps I can get to it even if I have no display. The display<br>doesn't work with the standard drivers but I was able to get an external display working<br>
so that might be moot. :) My other older system is a PIII of similar vintage - i.e. IDE<br>drive - so that might be worth another try.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Oksana<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:14 PM, unsolicited <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:unsolicited@swiz.ca">unsolicited@swiz.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Any system I've done in this fashion, and there's been quite a few, I've always done a complete install on the other machine, then moved it back into the original machine. But I've never done a tablet edition. Yes, it gains some hardware, and loses some, but that's the price paid.<br>
<br>
As long as you get a screen and a network connection, the rest can be resolved afterwards over the net. I've never seen it not get the keyboard, but I have seen it not get a mouse, initially. (VNC is really useful in this instance - once VNC is running you can connect to it, and the mouse works.)<br>
<br>
I've run into cases where the video is confused at install, between internal only, external only, or both. There is probably a magic keystroke that is OS independent for switching among them.<br>
<br>
I've only had good success when I stay on the internal video only option, for the duration of the install. Once that's complete, then I can go to the external one (only), and install drivers appropriate for it. Then I'm free to use any video mode afterwards.<br>
<br>
I've also run into the internal and external having different resolutions. e.g. 800x600 internal (max.) and 1024x768 external (max.) Go with the lowest common denominator until installation is complete.<br>
<br>
Oksana Goertzen wrote, On 06/10/2009 3:52 PM:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
Hi Colin et al, <br>
An update...<br>
<br>
I did try this - setup the drive in another PIII laptop and after it stopped copying the files and<br>
started the first reboot - I tried to move it back to the Toshiba. No luck... it doesn't boot.<br>
No display either.. I had it connected to an external LCD to see what was going on. Maybe<br>
I should have finished the install completely and then moved it over plus installed as many<br>
of the drivers I could find. <br>
This is still a work in progress. I haven't tackled it recently (due to a work issues like a<br>
SAN problem that ate up all my free [and not so free] time lately) but I have been able<br>
to obtain the recovery cd's from Toshiba thanks to my rep at Softchoice. :D They require<br>
you boot from cd (yes, the cd attached via PCMCIA - which I don't have)... but it's a<br>
start and it would give me everything that should be on the system... all the Toshiba<br>
utilities and such. There are three disks and it looks like the first one is prep and the<br>
rest use ghost or something.<br>
<br>
It doesn't boot from a USB attached CD-DVD but it will boot from a usb FDD. I may<br>
be able to get it to boot from the floppy and run the install from the CD. [Next effort].<br>
<br>
Yes, Linux might be a nice option for this machine, I agree, but I couldn't find much<br>
in the way of a tablet distro that might work on an old PIII and work with the really<br>
old hardware (read proprietary).. so I figured I should, from a pragmatic point of<br>
view - go with what the machine came configured and set up for. Is anybody using<br>
Linux on a tablet?<br>
<br>
Thanks, Oksana<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Colin Mackay <<a href="mailto:zixiekat@gmail.com" target="_blank">zixiekat@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:zixiekat@gmail.com" target="_blank">zixiekat@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Sorry for replying to myself (Hi me!), but another thought occurs... <br>
If this is just for personal use, and you have some time to play<br>
about, move the HDD to another computer and install Windows Tablet<br>
edition. Then transfer it back over and let it boot. Worse case<br>
scenario; you end up where you are now. More than likely you might<br>
just have a semi-working XP tablet. At that point, assuming you<br>
have USB and a key, you can install the correct drivers.<br>
<br>
Windows doesn't always like all the hardware changing, but I've had<br>
it survive such transitions in the past.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Colin Mackay <<a href="mailto:zixiekat@gmail.com" target="_blank">zixiekat@gmail.com</a><br></div><div class="im">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:zixiekat@gmail.com" target="_blank">zixiekat@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
They still have it for XP. It's called sysprep. It will<br>
basically allow someone to install Windows in full, test it,<br>
then return it to a non-activated state for the end user. I<br>
can't recall if it 'strips' out the drivers and lets XP rescan<br>
the hardware... I used to used it when deploying images to<br>
machines.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, <<a href="mailto:john@netdirect.ca" target="_blank">john@netdirect.ca</a><br></div><div class="im">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:john@netdirect.ca" target="_blank">john@netdirect.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org" target="_blank">kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org</a>> wrote on 05/29/2009<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
10:23:06 AM:<br>
> I was fighting with a similar problem last night on<br>
different hardware.<br>
><br>
> I came across this on installing ubuntu from different<br>
media - including<br>
> hard drive:<br>
><br>
><br>
<a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/Alternative-Installation-Methods-for-" target="_blank">http://news.softpedia.com/news/Alternative-Installation-Methods-for-</a><br>
> Hardy-86977.shtml<br>
><br>
> Short version: Install ubuntu(server?) on the hard drive<br>
leaving an<br>
> extra partition big enough to copy your iso into then<br>
adjust grub to<br>
> point at the disk-based iso installer. Put the drive<br>
back in your<br>
> tablet and boot to the Winstaller.<br>
><br>
> Advantage: grub is going to work without fiddling with sys.<br>
><br>
> Similar to what you suggested, but without the FreeDOS step.<br>
<br>
Microsoft used to have an OEM install method for system<br>
builders that<br>
involved creating a FAT file system and placing OEM drivers<br>
on the disk.<br>
We never did this because our volume was so low.<br>
<br>
How about removing the disk, installing elsewhere and doing<br>
the first boot<br>
on the tablet? If removing the disk isn't an option, you<br>
could install on<br>
a disk on another PC and image the result to the tablet<br>
using a PXE boot.<br>
<br>
John Van Ostrand<br>
Net Direct Inc.<br>
<br>
CTO, co-CEO<br>
564 Weber St. N. Unit 12<br>
map<br>
<br>
Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6<br>
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