[kwlug-disc] Say No To Electronic Voting ...

[Jon Thiele]

Ummmmm....    No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqSj7rGdzU


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:33 PM CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I spoke too soon.. apparently Trump has a solution: he told everybody in
> NC to vote twice!
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-north-carolina-voting-1.5710497?cmp=rss
>
>
>
> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 19:23, CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Have we flogged this horse enough, yet?
>>
>> Ars Technical has an interesting article on why online voting is bad:
>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/09/why-experts-are-overwhelmingly-skeptical-of-online-voting/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 19:57, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2020-08-25 6:37 p.m., Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 3:18 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If paper votes were always counted correctly in Belarus in the last 4
>>>> to
>>>> 8 elections, there would be no problem. But they weren't. Mere presence
>>>> of Austrian paper vote system doesn't guarantee the happy ending.
>>>> Hence,
>>>> problem exist, may be not in Canada (note, in Belarus every vote has
>>>> equal weight, unlike here, leaving only miscounting as a mischief tool).
>>>>
>>>> Actual change that now takes place in that country was helped by some
>>>> tech solutions coupled with mass action. Tech is a tool. Tech is never
>>>> a
>>>> solution to a problem that not all people abide by rules. But tech de
>>>> facto helped the defending side. Let me rephrase it, can we have high
>>>> tech pitchforks? :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The problem here is that the system is rigged. It has the appearance
>>> that it is
>>> fair and open, while it is neither. The reason is a dictator who refuses
>>> to cede
>>> power and manipulates the voting process to get his way.
>>>
>>> The problem here is not voting, it is the power grip, which will corrupt
>>> any
>>> voting system (paper or computerized) to get the same result.
>>>
>>> As an example, Egypt before the 2011 uprising had similar problems:
>>> voting
>>> was rigged at many levels, starting with requiring special government
>>> issued
>>> IDs to be eligible to vote, to excluding candidates who are not aligned
>>> with
>>> the government but have a chance to win (imprisonment the month before
>>> the election, and released after it is over), to centralized ballot
>>> counting (and
>>> boxes were discarded and swapped en route), to a rigged parliament that
>>> put
>>> obstacles for someone to run for president (must get a majority of votes
>>> in
>>> parliament or other impossible conditions).
>>>
>>> Most of that changed over a few weeks, when people rose to depose
>>> Mubarak.
>>> No special voting ID was needed. The regular ID that everyone has was
>>> valid.
>>> Everyone was registered to vote by default. No insurmountable conditions
>>> for
>>> someone to run for president. Distributed ballot counting (in sito, with
>>> all
>>> representatives present), and so on.
>>>
>>> That worked for the 2012 elections, which were mostly fair and open.
>>>
>>> But quickly the military got their act together and with intimidation
>>> and exclusion
>>> managed to leave most of these measures in place, but again exclude
>>> candidates
>>> that have a chance to win.
>>>
>>> What will happen down the line? Perhaps another uprising, in due time.
>>>
>>> But the point here is that: don't expect dictators to follow the rules
>>> if they
>>> are the ones making them, and they ones gaming them. Belarus has momentum
>>> in the streets that may change that. I hope it does, and that it is long
>>> lasting,
>>> unlike Egypt.
>>>
>>> Let's note that everyone now is trying to have elections, even faked
>>> ones. Why dictators do this? They want some feel of legitimacy, and for
>>> that some rules from democratic places are used.
>>>
>>> If democratic places adopt even stronger approaches, then it will ripple
>>> out. Unfortunately, places like Estonia manage to adopt worse solutions.
>>>
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