From bs27975 at yahoo.ca Fri May 1 15:47:23 2015 From: bs27975 at yahoo.ca (B. S.) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 12:47:23 -0700 Subject: [kwlug-disc] bytes the dust? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1430509643.70985.YahooMailBasic@web142503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> For me, Canada Computers long ago replaced Tiger Direct - even then I tended more to ncix than Tiger Direct. As I think I said elsewhere, given their retail inventory sparseness, I expect I'll do Canada Computer online next time I run into such. Add in shopbot.ca (often taking you to amazon.ca, but HookBag and other weird names prevalent too) and Khalid's timely observations of who price matches, and you have a reasonably quick and efficient process of determining what's out there, at what best prices. Mind you, I've also recently taken Khalid's advice and purchased a Mediasonic 150PVR (OTA PVR) - and expect to return it the day before their 30-day return facility. (Sadly.) I don't know of any other outlet with such useful evaluation periods. (Never mind inet stores where you still have to ship it back, and pay for that shipping, IF you can get such an RMA.) Mediasonic is unrefined, buggy, and unreliable. Seems that whatever user friendliness the VCR brought to us, and the PVR enhanced by making instant and adding things like frame advance ... has gone out the window of consumers' reasonable expectations of today's video presentation. e.g. Seems some devices blank the screen while fast forwarding / rewinding - and people seem OK with that. Giving manufacturers no incentive to deliver a reasonable user experience at least cost. Even the video players I've seen don't match vlc - assuming you've not hit the rare time where vlc is unable or too slow to keep up. - I also took a page from Khalid and got his OTA antenna from Sayal for a weekend. With it got 3 more channels, two French and CITS, so the antenna went back within the 7 days - without trouble or issue. Thanks Khalid! As a result of investigations around OTA, have ended up purchasing a Tivo with lifetime subscription off eBay - still to arrive. (Every review I see says "Still not as good as a Tivo" ... so ...) It's been a while since I've eBay'ed, and so experienced courier shock (again) in doing so. Used to be you did USPS Ground, paying something like US$15 (plus CP ~$5 fee & HST) - now it's USPS Priority Mail International (WATCH OUT ... it's Priority Mail EXPRESS International, +~$30, until you click on Display All Options at the top) ... for US$50+ Makes buying in Canada, only, anywhere, even over eBay / shoptbot.ca finds, all but de rigeur. The $50 'surcharge' of USPS makes most things not worth pursuing via US / eBay. Except for the really hard to find things, really low or high spec things, or variety the Canadian market is just too small to justify retailers bringing in. (The U.S. market being more intense, population wise, for it to be worth their while. e.g. WalMart Canada selection vs U.S.) Along this quest, yet again, I've run into US eBay sellers being unwilling to ship to Canada - despite the ease USPS brings them, or eBay's Global Shipping Program. Ended up signing up at http://myusaddress.ca/ to get a U.S. address. [Note, not the same as a U.S. PayPal account, which REQUIRES a U.S. credit/debit card and non-P.O. Box U.S. address - which is to say, all but impossible for a Canadian to satisfy. So if the sellers requires a US PayPal account, you're beat.] Casting about for a "won't ship to Canada" solution, I tended to find two types of results - warehousing solutions (e.g. UPS / FedEx / independent) where you cross the border to pick up your package (self-clearing) [not viable for K-W], and forwarding solutions - except they forward via the regular couriers, and same associated shipping costs that make UPS so despised. Apparently myusaddress receives at their U.S. building, drive it over the border (and them, not the courier, dealing with customs), then ship it to you via Canada Post / cheapest courier. Avoiding the +US$60 UPS brokerage charges. $5 to receive, $30 to clear / drive over border, $7 to ship in Canada, makes each package ~$42 to ship. Only ~$10 better than traditional USPS, now, but at least it's an option when push comes to shove. Should also be viable for retailers that won't ship to Canada / also have ridiculous cross-border fees. When they receive your package, they e-mail you to let you know - at which point you sign into the site and choose their 'Push North' option. - I have yet to use myusaddress to be able to comment upon the service, but my ducks were in a row to use them should I have won an eBay auction where the seller absolutely refused to have anything to do with shipping to Canada. [For which in some ways I don't blame them - UPS cheaper within U.S. / a process they already have figured out, and no customs documents / point of origin nonsense to have to fuddle through.] Note: If you run into the won't ship to Canada problem, have a secondary myusaddress on file with eBay, and make that address your primary address for the duration of that auction. You'll then be able to bid. Upon winning (or losing) switch it back to your Canadian address. DON'T FORGET to switch it back, soonest, or you may win something later, forget, and have the package sent there rather than your regular Canadian address. You'll be quite peeved to discover this when you didn't intend it. YHBW! So - Canada Computers, online even, and shopbot.ca have become my goto purchase research sites, and eBay U.S. / shipping to Canada has essentially become not worth doing. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/29/15, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] bytes the dust? To: "KWLUG discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 29, 2015, 11:20 AM Tiger Direct used to be my go to store for buying stuff for less. Even with the shipping they were less than other stores. How the landscape has changed in merely a decade, with Amazon and eBay, then TheSource and BestBuy, and Canada Computers. Sign of the times ... On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:03 AM, wrote: Hi gang here is the url to the tiger direct flyer http://www.tigerdirect.ca/email/ca/rem0197.asp?SRCCODE=CANREM0197&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-CANREM0197-_-tigeremail&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=CANREM0197Pre&MobileOptOut=2 _______________________________________________ kwlug-disc mailing list kwlug-disc at kwlug.org http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. --? Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. --?? Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kwlug-disc mailing list kwlug-disc at kwlug.org http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Mon May 4 13:53:07 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 13:53:07 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Fw: System Administrator - Job Posting Message-ID: <20150504175307.GA4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> I got this via the website and thought it was appropriate enough for the group. Email Samantha directly if you are interested in applying. - Paul ----- Forwarded message from samantha at foxnetsolutions.com ----- Subject: [About KWLUG] System Administrator - Job Posting Samantha sent a message using the contact form at http://kwlug.org/contact. FoxNet is a Waterloo-based IT solution provider, serving clients across the GTA for over 10 years. Working with medium to large size organizations, FoxNet provides IT infrastructure solutions, end-to-end, which include architecture, design and implementation. www.foxnetsolutions.com One of our current clients in the Kitchener region is in need of a resource to join their team. A team member is currently going on disability leave and they will be looking to add the following skill sets to their team for a 2-3 month contract. Details ? Experience with Redhat Linux (patch/asset) ? HP Unix Operating Systems ? Server Administration 2nd Tier Support ? Updating firmware ? Storage Administration ? server reboots, storage migration ? HP Chassis ?(HP BL460c Blade Servers running in multiple HP C700 Blade Chassis) ? VMware (ESXi, v5.1, upgrade of vcenter) ? Storage experience (netapp FAS3250, HP EVA 5000 etc.) ----- End forwarded message ----- -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Mon May 4 14:17:09 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 14:17:09 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Drupal North conference, June 25-28 Message-ID: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Khalid would like all of you to know about the Drupal North conference, being held at Ryerson University from June 25-28. The conference will be over four days. Day 1 will be professional training. Days 2-3 will be sessions. Day 4 will be Drupal sprints. The organizers are trying to appeal to a wide range of the Drupal community: newbies, experienced Drupal people, developers, website builders, themers, and non-technical businesspeople who have to choose how to build their next website. The conference is gratis, so there will be no food provided as part of the events. If transportation is an issue I hear rumours that there will be some locals going who would be willing to carpool. Registration is open, and the organizers are soliciting proposals for presentations until May 27. Get more information at the conference website: http://www.drupalnorth.org/ - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From crankyoldbugger at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:03:54 2015 From: crankyoldbugger at gmail.com (CrankyOldBugger) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 19:03:54 +0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Drupal North conference, June 25-28 In-Reply-To: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: I suppose I should ask (as someone who is relatively new to web development), how many of you guys are using Drupal, and do you like it? I've worked with WordPress but I'm led to believe that Drupal is a more "grownup" alternative to WP. On Mon, 4 May 2015 at 14:17 Paul Nijjar wrote: > Khalid would like all of you to know about the Drupal North > conference, being held at Ryerson University from June 25-28. > > The conference will be over four days. Day 1 will be professional > training. Days 2-3 will be sessions. Day 4 will be Drupal sprints. > The organizers are trying to appeal to a wide range of the Drupal > community: newbies, experienced Drupal people, developers, website > builders, themers, and non-technical businesspeople who have to choose > how to build their next website. > > The conference is gratis, so there will be no food provided as part of > the events. > > If transportation is an issue I hear rumours that there will be some > locals going who would be willing to carpool. > > Registration is open, and the organizers are soliciting proposals for > presentations until May 27. > > Get more information at the conference website: > http://www.drupalnorth.org/ > > - Paul > > -- > http://pnijjar.freeshell.org > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jekerr at SDF.ORG Mon May 4 17:44:47 2015 From: jekerr at SDF.ORG (jekerr at SDF.ORG) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 21:44:47 -0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Go Bus , MiWay, TTC to Drupal North In-Reply-To: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> Hello everyone Here is how to get to Toronto via Bus Take the Go Bus to Square One in Mississauga Hustle down to the Mississauga Transit terminal and take the Meadowvale express to the Subway. It arrives on the North platform, the first platform you come to after you cross the street. This bus takes you to the Islington Subway station where you can take the subway downtown. WHY? The Go bus to Square one gets off the 401 before the parts of the 401 that gets bogged down with traffic. It takes the 407 - 409. The MiWay Meadowvale express bus travels on special roads for buses only and whips you across Mississauga in no time and takes the 427 to Dundas. Taking the subway avoids the parking lot that the Gardiner expressway has become due to construction. I did this last Friday to go to my mother's house near Cloverdale Mall in route to Billy Bishop Airport. $3.50 exact fare for the Mississauga bus. $2.50 exact fare for the TTC. I have given up on the Gardiner east of the Humber River. I get off at Parklawn and take the Queensway east where it runs into King street and Queen street. Cheers John > Khalid would like all of you to know about the Drupal North > conference, being held at Ryerson University from June 25-28. > > The conference will be over four days. Day 1 will be professional > training. Days 2-3 will be sessions. Day 4 will be Drupal sprints. > The organizers are trying to appeal to a wide range of the Drupal > community: newbies, experienced Drupal people, developers, website > builders, themers, and non-technical businesspeople who have to choose > how to build their next website. > > The conference is gratis, so there will be no food provided as part of > the events. > > If transportation is an issue I hear rumours that there will be some > locals going who would be willing to carpool. > > Registration is open, and the organizers are soliciting proposals for > presentations until May 27. > > Get more information at the conference website: > http://www.drupalnorth.org/ > > - Paul > > -- > http://pnijjar.freeshell.org > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > From opengeometry at yahoo.ca Tue May 5 02:00:51 2015 From: opengeometry at yahoo.ca (William Park) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 02:00:51 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Go Bus , MiWay, TTC to Drupal North In-Reply-To: <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> Message-ID: <20150505060051.GA3630@node1.localdomain> On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 09:44:47PM -0000, jekerr at SDF.ORG wrote: > $3.50 exact fare for the Mississauga bus. > $2.50 exact fare for the TTC. Good timing. How much is GO Bus to Square One, Mississauga? And, do you start from Kitchener Bus Terminal (15 Charles St West) or Kitchener GO station (126 Weber St West)? I'm interested in the reverse travel, actually. That is, how to get to Working Centre (Computer Recycling) or KWLUG meeting (St. John's Kitchen) from Mississauga or Toronto. -- William From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Tue May 5 02:25:17 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 02:25:17 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Go Bus , MiWay, TTC to Drupal North In-Reply-To: <20150505060051.GA3630@node1.localdomain> References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> <20150505060051.GA3630@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <20150505062517.GD4074@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 02:00:51AM -0400, William Park wrote: > On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 09:44:47PM -0000, jekerr at SDF.ORG wrote: > > $3.50 exact fare for the Mississauga bus. > > $2.50 exact fare for the TTC. > > Good timing. How much is GO Bus to Square One, Mississauga? And, do > you start from Kitchener Bus Terminal (15 Charles St West) or Kitchener > GO station (126 Weber St West)? Take the #25 from Kitchener Bus Terminal to Square One. The cost one way is $14.55, according to http://www.gotransit.com/publicroot/en/fares/farecalculator.aspx?frStation=S1TM&zone=20 - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From gwalsh at notw.ca Tue May 5 12:46:23 2015 From: gwalsh at notw.ca (Gary Walsh) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 12:46:23 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Go Bus , MiWay, TTC to Drupal North In-Reply-To: <20150505062517.GD4074@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> <20150505060051.GA3630@node1.localdomain> <20150505062517.GD4074@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: <641275CA-355B-47B1-A4B8-80E63A8C4199@notw.ca> The Greyhound goes to downtown Toronto. You can buy tickets online cheaper than at the ticket office. Different prices depending on time of day. -- Gary On May 5, 2015 2:25:17 AM EDT, Paul Nijjar wrote: >On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 02:00:51AM -0400, William Park wrote: >> On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 09:44:47PM -0000, jekerr at SDF.ORG wrote: >> > $3.50 exact fare for the Mississauga bus. >> > $2.50 exact fare for the TTC. >> >> Good timing. How much is GO Bus to Square One, Mississauga? And, do >> you start from Kitchener Bus Terminal (15 Charles St West) or >Kitchener >> GO station (126 Weber St West)? > >Take the #25 from Kitchener Bus Terminal to Square One. > >The cost one way is $14.55, according to > >http://www.gotransit.com/publicroot/en/fares/farecalculator.aspx?frStation=S1TM&zone=20 > > >- Paul > >-- >http://pnijjar.freeshell.org > > >_______________________________________________ >kwlug-disc mailing list >kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > Does anyone have a female micro-HDMI to regular HDMI cable or adapter for > hand for loan loan for a week or two? > > If it is a cable, then the regular HDMI end can be male or female. > > If it is an adapter, then it should be female (and I extend it using a > regular HDMI cable), like this one: > > > http://www.dx.com/p/micro-hdmi-female-to-hdmi-female-adapter-black-176085?tc=CAD&gclid=CPjBxuvFocUCFZCLaQodaTAA6g > > (Background: TV has a bad board and waiting for parts, want to watch on a > regular monitor with VGA. I have micro-HDMI to VGA, and the PVR outputs > regular HDMI). > -- > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > 2bits.com, Inc. > Fast Reliable Drupal > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bs27975 at yahoo.ca Tue May 5 17:55:43 2015 From: bs27975 at yahoo.ca (B. S.) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 14:55:43 -0700 Subject: [kwlug-disc] OT: Female micro-HDMI to HDMI adapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1430862943.49254.YahooMailBasic@web142504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> If monitor has vga and hdmi, it also has dvi? Given your adapter below, you're taking care of audio outside of this cabling? -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5/5/15, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] OT: Female micro-HDMI to HDMI adapter To: "KWLUG discussion" Received: Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 5:50 PM Alternatively, if you have a standard HDMI male to VGA, that would work too. Like this one http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Chipset-HDMI-Male-to-VGA-Female-Video-Audio-Cable-Cord-Converter-Adapter-1080P-/351323422941?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item51cc8200dd This is like the one I have, but mine is micro-HDMI. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: Does anyone have a female micro-HDMI to regular HDMI cable or adapter for hand for loan loan for a week or two? If it is a cable, then the regular HDMI end can be male or female. If it is an adapter, then it should be female (and I extend it using a regular HDMI cable), like this one: http://www.dx.com/p/micro-hdmi-female-to-hdmi-female-adapter-black-176085?tc=CAD&gclid=CPjBxuvFocUCFZCLaQodaTAA6g (Background: TV has a bad board and waiting for parts, want to watch on a regular monitor with VGA. I have micro-HDMI to VGA, and the PVR outputs regular HDMI). -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. --? Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. --?? Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. --? Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. --?? Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kwlug-disc mailing list kwlug-disc at kwlug.org http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From kb at 2bits.com Tue May 5 17:58:25 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 17:58:25 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] OT: Female micro-HDMI to HDMI adapter In-Reply-To: <1430862943.49254.YahooMailBasic@web142504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1430862943.49254.YahooMailBasic@web142504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The monitor I have has DVI and VGA. The adapter in my previous email has a chipset that converts HDMI to VGA, and has a 3.5mm jack for audio. The adapter I have is the same as this one, but its input is micro-HDMI, and therefore to connect the PVR I need a female micro-HDMI to standard HDMI adapter. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:55 PM, B. S. wrote: > If monitor has vga and hdmi, it also has dvi? > > Given your adapter below, you're taking care of audio outside of this > cabling? > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 5/5/15, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > > Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] OT: Female micro-HDMI to HDMI adapter > To: "KWLUG discussion" > Received: Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 5:50 PM > > Alternatively, if you have a standard > HDMI male to VGA, that would work too. > > Like this one > > > http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Chipset-HDMI-Male-to-VGA-Female-Video-Audio-Cable-Cord-Converter-Adapter-1080P-/351323422941?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item51cc8200dd > > This is like the one I have, but mine is micro-HDMI. > > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at > 1:08 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin > wrote: > Does anyone have a female micro-HDMI to regular > HDMI cable or adapter for hand for loan loan for a week or > two? > > If it is a cable, then the regular HDMI end can > be male or female. > > If it is an adapter, then it should be female (and I extend > it using a regular HDMI cable), like this one: > > > http://www.dx.com/p/micro-hdmi-female-to-hdmi-female-adapter-black-176085?tc=CAD&gclid=CPjBxuvFocUCFZCLaQodaTAA6g > > (Background: TV has a bad board and waiting for > parts, want to watch on a regular monitor with VGA. I have > micro-HDMI to VGA, and the PVR outputs regular HDMI). > -- > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > 2bits.com, Inc. > Fast Reliable Drupal > Drupal optimization, development, customization and > consulting. > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger > W.Dijkstra > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo > da Vinci > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, > simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > > > > > -- > Khalid M. > Baheyeldin > 2bits.com, Inc. > Fast Reliable Drupal > Drupal optimization, development, customization and > consulting. > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger > W.Dijkstra > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo > da Vinci > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, > simple, and wrong." -- H.L. 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URL: From singpolyma at singpolyma.net Wed May 6 16:58:52 2015 From: singpolyma at singpolyma.net (Stephen Paul Weber) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 15:58:52 -0500 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Open Streets and Free Culture Message-ID: <20150506205852.GH1459@xobs-novena> Once again this summer the Open Streets UpTown Waterloo event is running . Back when we were at UW, Christopher Vollick and myself, as well as some others, used to run an event where we set up a table in the Student Life Centre and gave away CDs and DVDs of free culture content (music and blender films) along with showing some short films, playing some music, and providing the students who came by with an opportunity to find out more about Free/Libre Culture. We would like to update and reprise this event at the summer's Open Streets events (dates: Sunday June 21, Saturday July 18, Sunday August 16 and Sunday September 20) and are looking for a few people who might be interested in helping out! We need people to man the table along with us during the event, answering questions and talking with people who stop by, giving out pamphlets, CDs, DVDs (or whatever other distribution mechanisms we come up with), etc. You don't need to be free for the entire event, event being willing to help out for an hour would be useful. Also if anyone has a sun shade / tent or portable power solution (large battery, small [and quiet] generator) they'd be willing to let us borrow, that would be great. Otherwise I'll be purchasing a sun shade soon. From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Wed May 6 18:40:33 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 18:40:33 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Laptop rescue mission: Sat May 9, 4-8pm Message-ID: <20150506224033.GB11275@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Hi again, We're doing the laptop rescue thing at Computer Recycling this Saturday, from 4-8pm. You can come for as long or as short as you wish. We have a few more IBM laptop and some Dells to go through. If you want to participate then it is helpful to RSVP to me, especially if you do not know the secret phone number and/or you do not have a phone so we can let you in. - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Wed May 6 22:27:18 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 22:27:18 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] OT: Female micro-HDMI to HDMI adapter In-Reply-To: References: <1430862943.49254.YahooMailBasic@web142504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20150507022717.GA4393@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Would a cable that converts HDMI (male) to DVI (male) work for you? I found such a cable that we have at Computer Recycling, and we could loan it to you for a bit. Here is the cable in question: http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Digital-Monitor-P566-006/dp/B0007WDIVO We could probably sell it to you too if you wanted. - Paul On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:58:25PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > The monitor I have has DVI and VGA. > > The adapter in my previous email has a chipset that converts HDMI to VGA, > and has a 3.5mm jack for audio. > > The adapter I have is the same as this one, but its input is micro-HDMI, > and therefore to connect the PVR I need a female micro-HDMI to standard > HDMI adapter. > From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Thu May 7 06:39:04 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 06:39:04 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Emulate trackpad click on keyboard In-Reply-To: <20150324054412.GB4020@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150324054412.GB4020@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: <20150507103904.GD4393@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 01:44:12AM -0400, Paul Nijjar wrote: > This ought to be easy but my search-engine foo is weak, so I will > shamelessly abuse your inboxes and ask my question on this list. > > The left trackpad button on my netbook (a Sony VPCM111AX) is dying. It is > running Debian with the Spectrwm window manager. Double-tap to click > is supposed to be enabled on the trackpad but it does not work. > The device is reported as a PS/2 Synaptics Touchpad. > > It is getting irritating to do without this left trackpad button, > because I still use a mouse for some things (selecting text, clicking > links in Firefox). Using an external mouse is sometimes possible but often > inconvenient. Is there some way I can map a key (maybe Caps Lock) to > behave like a left mouse button? If so how do I go about doing this? > > I guess there are some solutions that will work for specific problems > (such as numbered links plugins for Firefox) but I am looking for a > more general solution if possible. > I solved this, but not by using the keyboard. Instead I used the following snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptic-doubletap.conf to enable tap-to-click for my trackpad: -------- Section "InputClass" Identifier "touchpad catchall" Driver "synaptics" MatchIsTouchpad "on" # Left click: 1-finger tap Option "TapButton1" "1" # Middle click: 2-finger tap Option "TapButton2" "2" # Highlight with double 1-finger tap Option "TapAndDragGesture" "1" # http://daksaitay.blogspot.ca/2014/04/enable-tap-to-click-feature-in-debian-7.html # Good list: synclient -l # This option is recommend on all Linux systems using evdev, but cannot be # enabled by default. See the following link for details: # http://who-t.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-ignore-configuration-errors.html MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*" EndSection ---------- I do not need to map the right-mouse button yet. Middle click to paste was getting to be a real pain, however, so I am glad I was able to remap that. -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From hgruetzmacher at gmail.com Thu May 7 06:46:04 2015 From: hgruetzmacher at gmail.com (Herman Gruetzmacher) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 06:46:04 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Laptop rescue mission: Sat May 9, 4-8pm In-Reply-To: <20150506224033.GB11275@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150506224033.GB11275@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: <0AFEDEB39D6F4C9798B4CF98AF103CF6@LenovaI7> Hi Paul I can't make it this month again sorry. But maybe next month if it is still going Herman -----Original Message----- From: Paul Nijjar Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 6:40 PM To: kwlug-disc at kwlug.org Subject: [kwlug-disc] Laptop rescue mission: Sat May 9, 4-8pm Hi again, We're doing the laptop rescue thing at Computer Recycling this Saturday, from 4-8pm. You can come for as long or as short as you wish. We have a few more IBM laptop and some Dells to go through. If you want to participate then it is helpful to RSVP to me, especially if you do not know the secret phone number and/or you do not have a phone so we can let you in. - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org _______________________________________________ kwlug-disc mailing list kwlug-disc at kwlug.org http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From kb at 2bits.com Thu May 7 09:44:21 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 09:44:21 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] OT: Female micro-HDMI to HDMI adapter In-Reply-To: <20150507022717.GA4393@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <1430862943.49254.YahooMailBasic@web142504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20150507022717.GA4393@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: That would work for the picture, but not sound. I will contact you off list to arrange pickup. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Paul Nijjar wrote: > > Would a cable that converts HDMI (male) to DVI (male) work for you? I > found such a cable that we have at Computer Recycling, and we could > loan it to you for a bit. > > Here is the cable in question: > > http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Digital-Monitor-P566-006/dp/B0007WDIVO > > We could probably sell it to you too if you wanted. > > - Paul > > > On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:58:25PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > > The monitor I have has DVI and VGA. > > > > The adapter in my previous email has a chipset that converts HDMI to VGA, > > and has a 3.5mm jack for audio. > > > > The adapter I have is the same as this one, but its input is micro-HDMI, > > and therefore to connect the PVR I need a female micro-HDMI to standard > > HDMI adapter. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From singpolyma at singpolyma.net Thu May 7 14:12:53 2015 From: singpolyma at singpolyma.net (Stephen Paul Weber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 13:12:53 -0500 Subject: [kwlug-disc] [KwartzLab] Open Streets and Free Culture In-Reply-To: References: <20150506205852.GH1459@xobs-novena> Message-ID: <20150507181253.GB1519@xobs-novena> Somebody claiming to be Alexandra Gerlach wrote: >Kwartzlab would be very welcome to set up in front of my shop, Queen of >Hearts Costumes. We have a pop up awning you can use(I have an extra), and >you can draw power from us too. So, this is something Chris Vollick and I are doing, not really affiliated with KwartzLab, I posted this to the public list at kwartzlab and kwlug both since I figured people I know who might be interested are members of those groups. If either of your offers are still valid under the mission of the table (promoting Free Culture) without being a KwartzLab-sponsored thing that's happening, then we'd be quite happy to borrow an awning (I think placement is determined by the OSUTW organisers?), but totally understand if the offer was only valid for KwartzLab proper :) Thanks. From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Thu May 7 16:27:31 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 16:27:31 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Nonprofit sysadmin meetup: Monday, May 11, 7pm Message-ID: <20150507202730.GA4024@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> As promised, we are making this nonprofit meetup thing real. If you are involved with system administration for nonprofits and would like to bounce ideas off of others (or you are just interested in the topic), then please join us: 7pm The Working Centre 58 Queen Street South I am thinking this will be a less formally structured group than KWLUG, although I am hoping that each meeting will have a theme. At the inaugural meeting we will work out logistics and structure, decide upon themes for future meetings, and introduce ourselves and our nonprofity situations. It is very likely that we will be talking about a mix of proprietary and free software (and software as a service) approaches to IT in this group, so free software purists might want to take precautions (antihistamines?). - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From crankyoldbugger at gmail.com Thu May 7 16:30:17 2015 From: crankyoldbugger at gmail.com (Jeff Smith) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 16:30:17 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Nonprofit sysadmin meetup: Monday, May 11, 7pm In-Reply-To: <20150507202730.GA4024@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150507202730.GA4024@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: <554BCB59.6080309@gmail.com> Sounds like a plan. I'll try to make it out. On 15-05-07 04:27 PM, Paul Nijjar wrote: > As promised, we are making this nonprofit meetup thing real. If you > are involved with system administration for nonprofits and would like > to bounce ideas off of others (or you are just interested in the > topic), then please join us: > > 7pm > The Working Centre > 58 Queen Street South > > I am thinking this will be a less formally structured group than > KWLUG, although I am hoping that each meeting will have a theme. At > the inaugural meeting we will work out logistics and structure, decide > upon themes for future meetings, and introduce ourselves and our > nonprofity situations. > > It is very likely that we will be talking about a mix of proprietary > and free software (and software as a service) approaches to IT in this > group, so free software purists might want to take precautions > (antihistamines?). > > - Paul > From peter_melse at gto.net Thu May 7 16:57:11 2015 From: peter_melse at gto.net (peter_melse at gto.net) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 16:57:11 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Nonprofit sysadmin meetup: Monday, May 11, 7pm In-Reply-To: <20150507202730.GA4024@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150507202730.GA4024@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: Cool, I'll be there as well. ~Peter On Thu, 7 May 2015 16:27:31 -0400, Paul Nijjar wrote: > As promised, we are making this nonprofit meetup thing real. If you > are involved with system administration for nonprofits and would like > to bounce ideas off of others (or you are just interested in the > topic), then please join us: > > 7pm > The Working Centre > 58 Queen Street South > > I am thinking this will be a less formally structured group than > KWLUG, although I am hoping that each meeting will have a theme. At > the inaugural meeting we will work out logistics and structure, > decide > upon themes for future meetings, and introduce ourselves and our > nonprofity situations. > > It is very likely that we will be talking about a mix of proprietary > and free software (and software as a service) approaches to IT in > this > group, so free software purists might want to take precautions > (antihistamines?). > > - Paul From jvj at golden.net Fri May 8 10:04:33 2015 From: jvj at golden.net (John Johnson) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 10:04:33 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Go Bus , MiWay, TTC to Drupal North In-Reply-To: <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> Message-ID: <554CC271.4010201@golden.net> Apologies for being late to this thread. GO Bus #25 to/from Square One is a good option - as discussed. GO Bus #25 to/from the Bramalea GO station an option - as for "good" - so-so. From the Bramalea GO station one can take GO Bus #34 which runs down Airport/Dixon to the Yorkdale TTC terminal. (1) IIRC GO Bus #34 does not come into the Bramalea GO station but, rather, passes nearby on Steeles. (2) GO Bus #34 does have a stop within the Pearson Airport maze of roads from where one can catch the airport shuttle. I think that this is an option for travel between KW and Pearson. On 2015-05-04 17:44, jekerr at SDF.ORG wrote: > Here is how to get to Toronto via Bus > From jekerr at SDF.ORG Fri May 8 10:04:44 2015 From: jekerr at SDF.ORG (jekerr at SDF.ORG) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:04:44 -0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Go Bus , MiWay, TTC to Drupal North In-Reply-To: <641275CA-355B-47B1-A4B8-80E63A8C4199@notw.ca> References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> <20150505060051.GA3630@node1.localdomain> <20150505062517.GD4074@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <641275CA-355B-47B1-A4B8-80E63A8C4199@notw.ca> Message-ID: Good point Gary And purchasing the round trip is cheaper as well. However, my bus route will avoid any traffic jams on the Gardner. Best advice is to make a habit of checking the traffic cams a few days before the event at the time you expect to be traveling. Purchasing a return trip to Guelph, at the Bay street terminal cost close to $30.00. Beware of the go bus to York University. It stops at every lamp post and it is a long trip via subway from there. Me? never again!! cheers John > The Greyhound goes to downtown Toronto. You can buy tickets online cheaper > than at the ticket office. Different prices depending on time of day. > -- > Gary > > On May 5, 2015 2:25:17 AM EDT, Paul Nijjar wrote: >>On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 02:00:51AM -0400, William Park wrote: >>> On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 09:44:47PM -0000, jekerr at SDF.ORG wrote: >>> > $3.50 exact fare for the Mississauga bus. >>> > $2.50 exact fare for the TTC. >>> >>> Good timing. How much is GO Bus to Square One, Mississauga? And, do >>> you start from Kitchener Bus Terminal (15 Charles St West) or >>Kitchener >>> GO station (126 Weber St West)? >> >>Take the #25 from Kitchener Bus Terminal to Square One. >> >>The cost one way is $14.55, according to >> >>http://www.gotransit.com/publicroot/en/fares/farecalculator.aspx?frStation=S1TM&zone=20 >> >> >>- Paul >> >>-- >>http://pnijjar.freeshell.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>kwlug-disc mailing list >>kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >>http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > From jvj at golden.net Fri May 8 10:32:35 2015 From: jvj at golden.net (John Johnson) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 10:32:35 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Go Bus , MiWay, TTC to Drupal North In-Reply-To: References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <598fc63971e0ac8dad0ea3ed35b042bb.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> <20150505060051.GA3630@node1.localdomain> <20150505062517.GD4074@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <641275CA-355B-47B1-A4B8-80E63A8C4199@notw.ca> Message-ID: <554CC903.6010707@golden.net> On 2015-05-08 10:04, jekerr at SDF.ORG wrote: > Beware of the go bus to York University. It stops at every lamp post and > it is a long trip via subway from there. Me? never again! Go Bus #48 run between Guelph U & York U. And it, too, stops at the Bramalea GO station. As mentioned earlier, one can catch the GO Bus#34 from the Bramalea GO station.* * on Steeles at Bramalea (info as of 2009) FWIW: I used to work near the Bramalea GO station and was a regular on the GO at that time. I have travelled on all of the GO bus/train routes #25, #30, #34 & #48. JohnJ From kb at 2bits.com Fri May 8 11:10:42 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 11:10:42 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] OT: Female micro-HDMI to HDMI adapter In-Reply-To: <20150507022717.GA4393@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <1430862943.49254.YahooMailBasic@web142504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20150507022717.GA4393@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the cable Paul. Now that I got it, I find out that the monitor does not power on anymore ... Darn! On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Paul Nijjar wrote: > > Would a cable that converts HDMI (male) to DVI (male) work for you? I > found such a cable that we have at Computer Recycling, and we could > loan it to you for a bit. > > Here is the cable in question: > > http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Digital-Monitor-P566-006/dp/B0007WDIVO > > We could probably sell it to you too if you wanted. > > - Paul > > > On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:58:25PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > > The monitor I have has DVI and VGA. > > > > The adapter in my previous email has a chipset that converts HDMI to VGA, > > and has a 3.5mm jack for audio. > > > > The adapter I have is the same as this one, but its input is micro-HDMI, > > and therefore to connect the PVR I need a female micro-HDMI to standard > > HDMI adapter. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -- Khalid M. 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I understand it as LVM is required if snapshots are to be performed? It seems when I used OpenVZ and wanted to snapshot it was necessary for the snapshot to reside on a separate LVM partition? is this also the case with BTRFS? This is when I'm using ext 3/4. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Fri May 8 22:10:37 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 22:10:37 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] OT? QNAP NAS file snapshots Message-ID: <20150509021037.GB4284@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> This might be offtopic, but QNAP NAS boxes appear to run some form of Linux, so I am hoping that some people on the mailing list have some familiarity with them. I am involved in researching these for a potential purchase, and I have a bunch of questions. The first question has to do with file snapshotting. Basically, the device makes previous versions of files available, that can be restored by end users (for Windows, this might be done using the "Previous Versions" tab of an item properties, or there might be some way to navigate to previous versions in the NAS web interface). Does anybody know whether QNAP devices support this? I am getting conflicting and confusing answers on the internet. - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From crankyoldbugger at gmail.com Fri May 8 23:58:41 2015 From: crankyoldbugger at gmail.com (CrankyOldBugger) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 03:58:41 +0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] OT? QNAP NAS file snapshots In-Reply-To: <20150509021037.GB4284@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150509021037.GB4284@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: While I haven't used QNAP, I use their competitor Synology (in particular, the DS412+), which I believe has something similar to what you want, but just as you did with QNAP, I'm getting conflicting messages on the Synology side of the internet as well: Synology Snapshot Manager software plugin for Windows Server allows you to create application-consistent snapshots in DSM. For Windows environment, you can install Synology Snapshot Manager for Windows Server. After installation, when a snapshot is triggered on DSM, Synology Snapshot Manager will use the Microsoft Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) technology to produce consistent point-in-time copies of data. Synology Snapshot Manager for Windows Server also supports performing snapshots when triggered by 3rd party software via VSS. (via https://www.synology.com/en-us/releaseNote/Snapshot%20Manager%20for%20Windows ) There's also some talk of snapshot as it pertains to vSphere and Hyper-V, which sounds to me like the ability to take a snapshot of an entire VM. I don't think that this is what you wanted, but perhaps this is a possible cause of the confusion you're seeing online. On Fri, 8 May 2015 at 22:11 Paul Nijjar wrote: > > This might be offtopic, but QNAP NAS boxes appear to run some form of > Linux, so I am hoping that some people on the mailing list have some > familiarity with them. I am involved in researching these for a > potential purchase, and I have a bunch of questions. > > The first question has to do with file snapshotting. 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Ubuntu used to capitalize on the fact that > debian has vast mostly centralized repositories with tens of thousands > of packages. > > Now,Canonical will either have to a) re-roll all the packages from > debian on an ongoing basis as releases (very labour intensive), or b) > settle for a subset of what is available, thus causing less choice for > their user base. > > Usually a major change like that used to be rolled out to the community > for testing for a fair amount of time, and then when acceptance grows > (or not), it is gets into popular distros. > > Snappy was announced in December of 2014, so it is only six months old ... > > But of late things have been moving into a different direction: top > down, not bottom up as it used to be. The example is systemd's adoption > in Debian and Ubuntu. > -- > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > 2bits.com , Inc. > Fast Reliable Drupal > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? From cdfrey at foursquare.net Mon May 11 00:09:33 2015 From: cdfrey at foursquare.net (Chris Frey) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 00:09:33 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Ubuntu is replacing .deb with Snappy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150511040933.GA19109@foursquare.net> This is just building on top of btrfs and systemd, no? http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html If you're going to go that route, might as well go the whole way and get all the benefits you can. :-) Looks like Ubuntu is attempting just that. - Chris On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 02:57:32PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > Ubuntu will be moving away from .deb it seems. > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-stable-future-ubuntu > > http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ > > This is a major undertaking. Ubuntu used to capitalize on the fact that > debian has vast mostly centralized repositories with tens of thousands of > packages. > > Now,Canonical will either have to a) re-roll all the packages from debian > on an ongoing basis as releases (very labour intensive), or b) settle for a > subset of what is available, thus causing less choice for their user base. > > Usually a major change like that used to be rolled out to the community for > testing for a fair amount of time, and then when acceptance grows (or not), > it is gets into popular distros. > > Snappy was announced in December of 2014, so it is only six months old ... > > But of late things have been moving into a different direction: top down, > not bottom up as it used to be. The example is systemd's adoption in Debian > and Ubuntu. > -- > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > 2bits.com, Inc. > Fast Reliable Drupal > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From kb at 2bits.com Mon May 11 10:25:32 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 10:25:32 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Ubuntu is replacing .deb with Snappy In-Reply-To: <20150511040933.GA19109@foursquare.net> References: <20150511040933.GA19109@foursquare.net> Message-ID: Anyone can make outrageous claims or ideas. So when someone advocates for a package management system built on top of a specific file system, that is not really odd. What is odd is that the majority do not see that this limits choice and promotes monoculture (you have to use btrfs to use newfanglepkg). This lack of choice and monoculture have been the mainstay of the free software movement, with people replacing parts they don't like with parts they do, from the file system, to the init daemon, to the package format and manager, all the way up to the desktop. Now, we are regressing to the desktop (Gnome) depending on a specific init system (systemd). On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Chris Frey wrote: > This is just building on top of btrfs and systemd, no? > > http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html > > If you're going to go that route, might as well go the whole way and > get all the benefits you can. :-) Looks like Ubuntu is attempting just > that. > > - Chris > > > On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 02:57:32PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > > Ubuntu will be moving away from .deb it seems. > > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-stable-future-ubuntu > > > > http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ > > > > This is a major undertaking. Ubuntu used to capitalize on the fact that > > debian has vast mostly centralized repositories with tens of thousands of > > packages. > > > > Now,Canonical will either have to a) re-roll all the packages from debian > > on an ongoing basis as releases (very labour intensive), or b) settle > for a > > subset of what is available, thus causing less choice for their user > base. > > > > Usually a major change like that used to be rolled out to the community > for > > testing for a fair amount of time, and then when acceptance grows (or > not), > > it is gets into popular distros. > > > > Snappy was announced in December of 2014, so it is only six months old > ... > > > > But of late things have been moving into a different direction: top down, > > not bottom up as it used to be. The example is systemd's adoption in > Debian > > and Ubuntu. > > -- > > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > > 2bits.com, Inc. > > Fast Reliable Drupal > > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > > _______________________________________________ > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. 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If you > > are involved with system administration for nonprofits and would like > > to bounce ideas off of others (or you are just interested in the > > topic), then please join us: > > > > 7pm > > The Working Centre > > 58 Queen Street South > > > > I am thinking this will be a less formally structured group than > > KWLUG, although I am hoping that each meeting will have a theme. At > > the inaugural meeting we will work out logistics and structure, decide > > upon themes for future meetings, and introduce ourselves and our > > nonprofity situations. > > > > It is very likely that we will be talking about a mix of proprietary > > and free software (and software as a service) approaches to IT in this > > group, so free software purists might want to take precautions > > (antihistamines?). > > > > - Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Mon May 11 23:39:58 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 23:39:58 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Drupal North conference, June 25-28 In-Reply-To: References: <20150504181708.GC4251@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: <20150512033958.GA3968@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> We are using Drupal. It is powerful. The learning curve is steep. Major version upgrades are a large amount of work. My experiences with Drupal 6 are here: https://groups.drupal.org/node/264833 One thing that Drupal does better than Wordpress are permissions for multi user sites. I was procrastinating on posting because I did not want to open a can of worms, but those are my thoughts. - Paul On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 07:03:54PM +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > I suppose I should ask (as someone who is relatively new to web > development), how many of you guys are using Drupal, and do you like it? > > I've worked with WordPress but I'm led to believe that Drupal is a more > "grownup" alternative to WP. > From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Wed May 13 14:20:22 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:20:22 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Another FoxNet sysadmin job posting Message-ID: <20150513182021.GC4186@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Here is another Linux-related job posting from FoxNet. ----- Forwarded message from Samantha Braund ----- I have another full time permanent opportunity that we could share with the group if anyone is interested? I have included the details below. I am the Professional Services Manager with FoxNet Solutions, a Waterloo-based IT consulting company that services a variety of clients across the GTA www.foxnetsolutions.com . FoxNet is a Waterloo-based IT solution provider. The FoxNet IT experts understand the impact technology can have on your business every day. Working with medium to large size organizations, FoxNet provides IT infrastructure solutions, end-to-end, which include architecture, design and implementation. One of FoxNet?s current clients located in Waterloo is in search of a DevOps Specialist (Tier 2 System Administrator) to join their team. Skills Required: ? Linux Administration ? support of VMware servers ? Windows servers ? support of MAC devices ? experience managing the operation, performance and monitoring tools and services ? develop tools to automate systems This client offers a competitive salary, paid vacation, catered lunch everyday, a collaborative flat environment, with the ability to make a difference in a "start-up" type culture but with the stability of a large organization. If you are interested in discussing this opportunity, please email your resume to samantha at foxnetsolutions.com with KWLUG in the subject line. -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From cdfrey at foursquare.net Wed May 13 15:56:40 2015 From: cdfrey at foursquare.net (Chris Frey) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:56:40 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Ubuntu is replacing .deb with Snappy In-Reply-To: References: <20150511040933.GA19109@foursquare.net> Message-ID: <20150513195640.GA8242@foursquare.net> First, apologies, as it looks like I assumed too early that Snappy uses btrfs. It's hard to find out exactly what it uses, but it looks partition based. For example, this page mentions vfat and ext4: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/filesystem-layout/ I made a mental connection with what I had read earlier on 0pointer.net, so the direction didn't seem surprising, although I made an incorrect assumption on the underlying technology. I like the old way of package management, but then again I'm not managing 1000 cloud images and apps either. This Snappy thing appears to be *very* cloud oriented. It just happens to show up on Ubuntu desktop, since that is Ubuntu's own dogfood. Rollback is one area in the old package management which is really non-existant. There's no "apt-get undo". If you're unlucky enough to have cleared your apt-get cache, just finding the old .deb you need is work. The potential duplication of data in Snappy concerns me, but it could be mitigated by btrfs. I haven't tried Snappy yet, but from the overview, it looks like developers can include the libraries they want. This looks like a maintenance headache when you want to fix the latest SSL bug in all your app containers. As for monoculture, when it comes to package management, I live in one already. Apt-get is the first and best package manager that handles dependencies, in my opinion, and there's nothing that matches it, even though it has its problems. Other package management systems feel kludgy to me in comparison. I stick with Debian because of the large software repository, their signed packages, their free software focus, and their stability. It appears that Ubuntu is at least copying 2 of those 4 (large repo and signed Snappy packages, from what I've read), and we'll see how they do on the last two. I'm happy to stand on the sidelines and see how Ubuntu does for now. A quick test in my Jessie VM seems to indicate that it is still possible (with minimal work) to install xfce4 without systemd or pulseaudio. So choice still exists. :-) - Chris On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:25:32AM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > Anyone can make outrageous claims or ideas. > > So when someone advocates for a package management system built on top of a > specific file system, that is not really odd. > > What is odd is that the majority do not see that this limits choice and > promotes monoculture (you have to use btrfs to use newfanglepkg). This lack > of choice and monoculture have been the mainstay of the free software > movement, with people replacing parts they don't like with parts they do, > from the file system, to the init daemon, to the package format and > manager, all the way up to the desktop. > > Now, we are regressing to the desktop (Gnome) depending on a specific init > system (systemd). > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Chris Frey wrote: > > > This is just building on top of btrfs and systemd, no? > > > > http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html > > > > If you're going to go that route, might as well go the whole way and > > get all the benefits you can. :-) Looks like Ubuntu is attempting just > > that. > > > > - Chris > > > > > > On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 02:57:32PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > > > Ubuntu will be moving away from .deb it seems. > > > > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-stable-future-ubuntu > > > > > > http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ > > > > > > This is a major undertaking. Ubuntu used to capitalize on the fact that > > > debian has vast mostly centralized repositories with tens of thousands of > > > packages. > > > > > > Now,Canonical will either have to a) re-roll all the packages from debian > > > on an ongoing basis as releases (very labour intensive), or b) settle > > for a > > > subset of what is available, thus causing less choice for their user > > base. > > > > > > Usually a major change like that used to be rolled out to the community > > for > > > testing for a fair amount of time, and then when acceptance grows (or > > not), > > > it is gets into popular distros. > > > > > > Snappy was announced in December of 2014, so it is only six months old > > ... > > > > > > But of late things have been moving into a different direction: top down, > > > not bottom up as it used to be. The example is systemd's adoption in > > Debian > > > and Ubuntu. > > > -- > > > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > > > 2bits.com, Inc. > > > Fast Reliable Drupal > > > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > > > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > > > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > > > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > > > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > > -- > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > 2bits.com, Inc. > Fast Reliable Drupal > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From cdfrey at foursquare.net Wed May 13 16:31:34 2015 From: cdfrey at foursquare.net (Chris Frey) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 16:31:34 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] The Ubuntu model In-Reply-To: <20150513195640.GA8242@foursquare.net> References: <20150511040933.GA19109@foursquare.net> <20150513195640.GA8242@foursquare.net> Message-ID: <20150513203134.GA8797@foursquare.net> In reading about Ubuntu and Snappy, I came across this URL: https://penguindroppings.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/snappy-app-trust-model/ which said: * we want to replace the distro archive model with an app store model for Snappy systems To me, this sounds like more of a marketing decision than a technical one, but it has some interesting consequences and advantages from a technical perspective too. If you're a security semi-paranoid like me, if you're running software for the first time, which you don't yet trust, you'll either throw it in a VM if it is big enough, or you'll create a new user on your system, in which you'll run the app. For me, this is the simplest method of isolating apps, which also has the most basic and longest available security mechanisms in place. This form of app / data separation existed as long as Unix did. So when you read this: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/tutorials/build-snaps/ which says: Data must be written to app-specific locations. Because snappy systems are transactionally updated, we will provide you with two kinds of writable directory, one for the "system" and one for each user who runs binaries from your package: /var/lib/apps//current/ /home/$USER/apps//current/ That's it. You cannot write anywhere else! What you do with that space is entirely up to you. This is a simple architecture setup to allow you to run random crap off the internet as safely as possible. Which, for the average user, since they already run random crap off the internet, is great. And for the security conscious user, is also great. And in this world, an "app" apparently can be anything from running /bin/ls by itself, to running an entire Debian system inside Docker. It's almost like the Bazaar software development model being copied into the end-user package management space. - Chris From kb at 2bits.com Wed May 13 16:48:57 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 16:48:57 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Ubuntu is replacing .deb with Snappy In-Reply-To: <20150513195640.GA8242@foursquare.net> References: <20150511040933.GA19109@foursquare.net> <20150513195640.GA8242@foursquare.net> Message-ID: I am also a .deb user, and feel that it is the best out there. Saying that Debian is a monoculture is kind of odd. Debian has the most support out there for architectures, and the widest array of application packages for any distro. Not that there is no room for improvement, there is always that room for many technologies, including the package managers. But here is my concern: Currently Ubuntu mostly copies the .deb repos from Debian and modify a little (a limited number of packages), then publish them on their own repos. Most applications are just a straight copy of what is on Debian, so there is no customization or porting effort at all. What I am concerned about is that the effort required to convert from .deb to snappy will become a hindrance to constantly keep up with Debian, and that would result in a reduced number of packages be available to Ubuntu users. If they pull it off, then good for them. But I fear that it will not be so rosy. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Chris Frey wrote: > First, apologies, as it looks like I assumed too early that Snappy uses > btrfs. It's hard to find out exactly what it uses, but it looks > partition based. For example, this page mentions vfat and ext4: > > https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/filesystem-layout/ > > I made a mental connection with what I had read earlier on 0pointer.net, > so the direction didn't seem surprising, although I made an incorrect > assumption on the underlying technology. > > I like the old way of package management, but then again I'm not managing > 1000 cloud images and apps either. This Snappy thing appears to be > *very* cloud oriented. It just happens to show up on Ubuntu desktop, > since that is Ubuntu's own dogfood. > > Rollback is one area in the old package management which is really > non-existant. > There's no "apt-get undo". If you're unlucky enough to have cleared your > apt-get cache, just finding the old .deb you need is work. > > The potential duplication of data in Snappy concerns me, but it could > be mitigated by btrfs. I haven't tried Snappy yet, but from the overview, > it looks like developers can include the libraries they want. This > looks like a maintenance headache when you want to fix the latest SSL bug > in all your app containers. > > As for monoculture, when it comes to package management, I live in one > already. Apt-get is the first and best package manager that handles > dependencies, in my opinion, and there's nothing that matches it, > even though it has its problems. Other package management systems > feel kludgy to me in comparison. > > I stick with Debian because of the large software repository, their signed > packages, their free software focus, and their stability. It appears > that Ubuntu is at least copying 2 of those 4 (large repo and signed > Snappy packages, from what I've read), and we'll see how they do on > the last two. > > I'm happy to stand on the sidelines and see how Ubuntu does for now. > A quick test in my Jessie VM seems to indicate that it is still possible > (with minimal work) to install xfce4 without systemd or pulseaudio. > > So choice still exists. :-) > > - Chris > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:25:32AM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > > Anyone can make outrageous claims or ideas. > > > > So when someone advocates for a package management system built on top > of a > > specific file system, that is not really odd. > > > > What is odd is that the majority do not see that this limits choice and > > promotes monoculture (you have to use btrfs to use newfanglepkg). This > lack > > of choice and monoculture have been the mainstay of the free software > > movement, with people replacing parts they don't like with parts they do, > > from the file system, to the init daemon, to the package format and > > manager, all the way up to the desktop. > > > > Now, we are regressing to the desktop (Gnome) depending on a specific > init > > system (systemd). > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Chris Frey > wrote: > > > > > This is just building on top of btrfs and systemd, no? > > > > > > > http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html > > > > > > If you're going to go that route, might as well go the whole way and > > > get all the benefits you can. :-) Looks like Ubuntu is attempting just > > > that. > > > > > > - Chris > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 02:57:32PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > > > > Ubuntu will be moving away from .deb it seems. > > > > > > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-stable-future-ubuntu > > > > > > > > http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ > > > > > > > > This is a major undertaking. Ubuntu used to capitalize on the fact > that > > > > debian has vast mostly centralized repositories with tens of > thousands of > > > > packages. > > > > > > > > Now,Canonical will either have to a) re-roll all the packages from > debian > > > > on an ongoing basis as releases (very labour intensive), or b) settle > > > for a > > > > subset of what is available, thus causing less choice for their user > > > base. > > > > > > > > Usually a major change like that used to be rolled out to the > community > > > for > > > > testing for a fair amount of time, and then when acceptance grows (or > > > not), > > > > it is gets into popular distros. > > > > > > > > Snappy was announced in December of 2014, so it is only six months > old > > > ... > > > > > > > > But of late things have been moving into a different direction: top > down, > > > > not bottom up as it used to be. The example is systemd's adoption in > > > Debian > > > > and Ubuntu. > > > > -- > > > > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > > > > 2bits.com, Inc. > > > > Fast Reliable Drupal > > > > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > > > > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > > > > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > > > > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, > and > > > > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > > 2bits.com, Inc. > > Fast Reliable Drupal > > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > > _______________________________________________ > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dscassel at gmail.com Wed May 13 17:33:03 2015 From: dscassel at gmail.com (Darcy Casselman) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:33:03 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Ubuntu is replacing .deb with Snappy In-Reply-To: References: <20150511040933.GA19109@foursquare.net> <20150513195640.GA8242@foursquare.net> Message-ID: I don't think snappy is worth freaking out about quite yet. Here's what sabdfl says about it in his keynote: https://youtu.be/9IfgX-k7Hag?t=10m24s He focuses exclusively on things like routers and other devices, as the target for Snappy Ubuntu. On the desktop, .debs aren't going away anytime soon. On the phone, snappy will likely replace click packages. So click packages aren't going to make it to the desktop. I'm skeptical that the universe archive is ever going to go away. But we'll probably start seeing snaps for self-contained applications on top of the Debian-based core system. Particularly as the convergence story starts coming together and the phone stuff starts merging with the desktop. Regardless, it's early days, still. I'd be skeptical of anything you're reading about this. Ubuntu's history is littered with grand announcements for things that end abandoned or turning out to be no big deal. So we'll see. Darcy. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > I am also a .deb user, and feel that it is the best out there. > > Saying that Debian is a monoculture is kind of odd. Debian has the most > support out there for architectures, and the widest array of application > packages for any distro. > > Not that there is no room for improvement, there is always that room for > many technologies, including the package managers. > > But here is my concern: > > Currently Ubuntu mostly copies the .deb repos from Debian and modify a > little (a limited number of packages), then publish them on their own > repos. Most applications are just a straight copy of what is on Debian, so > there is no customization or porting effort at all. > > What I am concerned about is that the effort required to convert from .deb > to snappy will become a hindrance to constantly keep up with Debian, and > that would result in a reduced number of packages be available to Ubuntu > users. > > If they pull it off, then good for them. But I fear that it will not be so > rosy. > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Chris Frey wrote: > >> First, apologies, as it looks like I assumed too early that Snappy uses >> btrfs. It's hard to find out exactly what it uses, but it looks >> partition based. For example, this page mentions vfat and ext4: >> >> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/filesystem-layout/ >> >> I made a mental connection with what I had read earlier on 0pointer.net, >> so the direction didn't seem surprising, although I made an incorrect >> assumption on the underlying technology. >> >> I like the old way of package management, but then again I'm not managing >> 1000 cloud images and apps either. This Snappy thing appears to be >> *very* cloud oriented. It just happens to show up on Ubuntu desktop, >> since that is Ubuntu's own dogfood. >> >> Rollback is one area in the old package management which is really >> non-existant. >> There's no "apt-get undo". If you're unlucky enough to have cleared your >> apt-get cache, just finding the old .deb you need is work. >> >> The potential duplication of data in Snappy concerns me, but it could >> be mitigated by btrfs. I haven't tried Snappy yet, but from the overview, >> it looks like developers can include the libraries they want. This >> looks like a maintenance headache when you want to fix the latest SSL bug >> in all your app containers. >> >> As for monoculture, when it comes to package management, I live in one >> already. Apt-get is the first and best package manager that handles >> dependencies, in my opinion, and there's nothing that matches it, >> even though it has its problems. Other package management systems >> feel kludgy to me in comparison. >> >> I stick with Debian because of the large software repository, their signed >> packages, their free software focus, and their stability. It appears >> that Ubuntu is at least copying 2 of those 4 (large repo and signed >> Snappy packages, from what I've read), and we'll see how they do on >> the last two. >> >> I'm happy to stand on the sidelines and see how Ubuntu does for now. >> A quick test in my Jessie VM seems to indicate that it is still possible >> (with minimal work) to install xfce4 without systemd or pulseaudio. >> >> So choice still exists. :-) >> >> - Chris >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:25:32AM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: >> > Anyone can make outrageous claims or ideas. >> > >> > So when someone advocates for a package management system built on top >> of a >> > specific file system, that is not really odd. >> > >> > What is odd is that the majority do not see that this limits choice and >> > promotes monoculture (you have to use btrfs to use newfanglepkg). This >> lack >> > of choice and monoculture have been the mainstay of the free software >> > movement, with people replacing parts they don't like with parts they >> do, >> > from the file system, to the init daemon, to the package format and >> > manager, all the way up to the desktop. >> > >> > Now, we are regressing to the desktop (Gnome) depending on a specific >> init >> > system (systemd). >> > >> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Chris Frey >> wrote: >> > >> > > This is just building on top of btrfs and systemd, no? >> > > >> > > >> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html >> > > >> > > If you're going to go that route, might as well go the whole way and >> > > get all the benefits you can. :-) Looks like Ubuntu is attempting >> just >> > > that. >> > > >> > > - Chris >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 02:57:32PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: >> > > > Ubuntu will be moving away from .deb it seems. >> > > > >> > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-stable-future-ubuntu >> > > > >> > > > http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ >> > > > >> > > > This is a major undertaking. Ubuntu used to capitalize on the fact >> that >> > > > debian has vast mostly centralized repositories with tens of >> thousands of >> > > > packages. >> > > > >> > > > Now,Canonical will either have to a) re-roll all the packages from >> debian >> > > > on an ongoing basis as releases (very labour intensive), or b) >> settle >> > > for a >> > > > subset of what is available, thus causing less choice for their user >> > > base. >> > > > >> > > > Usually a major change like that used to be rolled out to the >> community >> > > for >> > > > testing for a fair amount of time, and then when acceptance grows >> (or >> > > not), >> > > > it is gets into popular distros. >> > > > >> > > > Snappy was announced in December of 2014, so it is only six months >> old >> > > ... >> > > > >> > > > But of late things have been moving into a different direction: top >> down, >> > > > not bottom up as it used to be. The example is systemd's adoption in >> > > Debian >> > > > and Ubuntu. >> > > > -- >> > > > Khalid M. Baheyeldin >> > > > 2bits.com, Inc. >> > > > Fast Reliable Drupal >> > > > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. >> > > > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra >> > > > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci >> > > > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, >> simple, and >> > > > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > kwlug-disc mailing list >> > > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >> > > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > kwlug-disc mailing list >> > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >> > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Khalid M. 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Try it out first before you jump to bigger antennas. (Thanks to Bill Switzer for the tip) -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdfrey at foursquare.net Wed May 13 19:24:05 2015 From: cdfrey at foursquare.net (Chris Frey) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:24:05 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Ubuntu is replacing .deb with Snappy In-Reply-To: References: <20150511040933.GA19109@foursquare.net> <20150513195640.GA8242@foursquare.net> Message-ID: <20150513232405.GA9820@foursquare.net> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 04:48:57PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > Saying that Debian is a monoculture is kind of odd. I meant that the package manager was the mono-culture. Compared to the others available, there is _some_ choice, but nothing compares to apt-get. It is unclear yet whether Snappy will be able to compare. - Chris From bs27975 at yahoo.ca Thu May 14 08:18:16 2015 From: bs27975 at yahoo.ca (B. S.) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [kwlug-disc] The Ubuntu model In-Reply-To: <20150513203134.GA8797@foursquare.net> References: <20150513203134.GA8797@foursquare.net> Message-ID: <1624825859.2458129.1431605896225.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Frey > To: KWLUG discussion > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:31 PM > Subject: [kwlug-disc] The Ubuntu model > > In reading about Ubuntu and Snappy, I came across this URL: > > https://penguindroppings.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/snappy-app-trust-model/ > > which said: > > * we want to replace the distro archive model with an app store model > for Snappy systems Ach! Darnit! So that's why ... the continued invasion of the non-applicable phone model(s) to the desktop. (Never mind servers!) IT'S A DESKTOP ... IT HAS A REAL KEYBOARD ... USE IT ... WINDOWS 8 ... touch screens on desktops ... RRRRUUUUNNNN!!! > To me, this sounds like more of a marketing decision than a technical one, > but it has some interesting consequences and advantages from a > technical perspective too. >From your writing, I'm not so sure of that. >From your writing, this sounds like the app makers whining (again - see systemd rants), about getting their latest and greatest (probably ad infused) apps in front of as many people as quickly as possible, and Debian repos refusing to burp versions into the mainstream as quickly as they would like. IF they follow the 'Debian' [GPL(?)] way. Just a gut feeling, given what you've said. So it feels more like an attempt to wrest control away from the OS / distro cohesiveness/coordination providers, more than a technical decision. To me, anyways. I do take your (?) point in a later post, where some impetus is for things like routers - at (the idea of) which I go ... Hmmm. Could have merit. Interesting. BUT WHY does such have to burp back to my face and desktop and server. It's a desktop, darnit, it ain't broken, stop trying to fix it! I need to produce with it, not keep having to sidetrack to keep up with OS and OS sub-element changes. - yet, to be honest, it's not like Linux desktops have taken over the world, and phone app distribution mechanisms have had to prove themselves to be user friendly (or fail to have become as ubiquitous as they are). Obviously android is doing something right. And just to clarify, with your (?) apt-get reference ... remember, apt-get is just an interface (app, actually) to the (d)package system. Doing one thing well, and hasn't prevented many other such interfaces being written. (Usually calling apt-get / dpkg in the process.) aptitude (my fav) comes to mind, let alone interfaces built upon the interface - packagekit coming to mind. - which makes Khalid's point about systemd - with systemd it is systemd's mechanisms, or nothing (ultimately/evewntually). >From Khalid's post: >________________________________ > From: Khalid Baheyeldin >To: KWLUG discussion >Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Ubuntu is replacing .deb with Snappy > >Not that there is no room for improvement, there is always that room for many technologies, including the package managers. But Debian hasn't exactly made improvement easy, at the OS/distro level. (Apps, yes.) Easy example is the systemd debacle, and what everybody went through, pro or con. Resignations and so on. Or the dpkg / rpm never ending debate. It's hard to improve a core without putting a lot of kinks in there, thus we have so many versions of similar functionality, and a whole lot of dead wood. Else systemd would have been voted in, and to run simultaneously with the old, not instead of. [Not saying either is better, here, merely that the flexibility, let alone adroitness, turns out not to be as present as one might wish - nature of the beastie.] >But here is my concern: > >Currently Ubuntu mostly copies the .deb repos from Debian and modify a little (a limited number of packages), then publish them on their own repos. Most applications are just a straight copy of what is on Debian, so there is no customization or porting effort at all. > >What I am concerned about is that the effort required to convert from .deb to snappy will become a hindrance to constantly keep up with Debian, and that would result in a reduced number of packages be available to Ubuntu users. That is inevitable. Given the number of dead or all but no maintenance projects out there, I would be not be surprised if the number of packages dropped down to under a thousand. Someones would have to go and touch each and every package and snappy'ize it ... not too likely. The very richness of the ecosystem, dead wood and projects and all ... would disappear. Which is probably, all in all, a bad thing. Not that I wouldn't mind less deadwood out there (and corresponding documentation that one chews through only to EVENTUALLY discover was superseded by something else - lilo and grub in favour of grub2 coming to mind). Having 'one true' ways more prevalent would be useful - the number of source code control system solutions coming to mind. Let the non/RPN calculator app debate begin ... again. Mac vs PC? [OK, OK, it's Linux (KDE or Gnome?), but I don't think any of us can claim (marketing) success, it not having yet taken over the desktop. After all, we'd lose our elitist status ...] From crankyoldbugger at gmail.com Sat May 16 17:16:31 2015 From: crankyoldbugger at gmail.com (CrankyOldBugger) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 21:16:31 +0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] The Empire (i.e. Bell) strikes back! Message-ID: I got a telemarketer call from Bell just now. According to him, Bell dropped the ball and they would really like to get my business back! So he asks, what am I using for phone, internet, etc. I says a local provider (VMedia for the internet, Ooma for VoIP). So he tells me that if the power goes out, I won't have phone service. I said that I also have cellphones. Then he asks how much TV do I watch. I says none. He asks if I stream any shows, I said I have Netflix. So he tells me that he's got a deal for me that isn't available to the general public. 140 gig of download a month, at 5down/5up speeds! I told him that I currently have 60/10 unlimited. This is where he starts to stutter... Eventually it became obvious to him that there's no way no how that Bell can come anywhere close to what I'm getting now, and nowhere near the price that I'm paying. I know I've said it to you folks before, but damn am I glad I dropped Bell! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at alteeve.ca Sat May 16 17:28:20 2015 From: lists at alteeve.ca (Digimer) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:28:20 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] The Empire (i.e. Bell) strikes back! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5557B674.8090809@alteeve.ca> On 16/05/15 05:16 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > I got a telemarketer call from Bell just now. According to him, Bell > dropped the ball and they would really like to get my business back! > > So he asks, what am I using for phone, internet, etc. I says a local > provider (VMedia for the internet, Ooma for VoIP). So he tells me that > if the power goes out, I won't have phone service. I said that I also > have cellphones. > > Then he asks how much TV do I watch. I says none. He asks if I stream > any shows, I said I have Netflix. > > So he tells me that he's got a deal for me that isn't available to the > general public. 140 gig of download a month, at 5down/5up speeds! I > told him that I currently have 60/10 unlimited. > > This is where he starts to stutter... Eventually it became obvious to > him that there's no way no how that Bell can come anywhere close to what > I'm getting now, and nowhere near the price that I'm paying. > > I know I've said it to you folks before, but damn am I glad I dropped Bell! Years ago, I moved the Shelborne. At the time, I had a Bell cell phone and symaptico internet. After waiting two months to install my new line (next week!), I called and canceled the move order and canceled my cell phone. The lady insisted they could have a truck out the very next day! Never regretted moving, never once thought of going back. Horrible company. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Sat May 16 18:21:39 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 18:21:39 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] The Empire (i.e. Bell) strikes back! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150516222138.GB4086@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 09:16:31PM +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > > So he asks, what am I using for phone, internet, etc. I says a local > provider (VMedia for the internet, Ooma for VoIP). So he tells me that if > the power goes out, I won't have phone service. I said that I also have > cellphones. It is interesting they are using this argument in their marketing script. It is something I worry about at work. Having said that, we have moved from Bell to Execulink for landlines and are pretty happy (both with the service and with reduced dependencies on The Empire). - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From bs27975 at yahoo.ca Sun May 17 10:50:24 2015 From: bs27975 at yahoo.ca (B. S.) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [kwlug-disc] The Empire (i.e. Bell) strikes back! In-Reply-To: <20150516222138.GB4086@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> References: <20150516222138.GB4086@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: <938312700.634468.1431874224007.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> As far as I know, Execulink is a Bell reseller. (Not to say in your case Execulink isn't receiving the handoff from Bell and routing elsewise, but I expect the wire between you and them is Bell's.) Certainly they used to be when I got my DSL from them. Always got excellent support, and even they couldn't blame me for switching when the Bell lines just couldn't deliver. Always seemed to me Golden Triangle inculcated customer service into Execulink. The (commercial) power issue is an issue regardless of the lines / provider. People have cells. And presumably you have dedicated hot phones. Callers seem to have amazing tolerance when you explain the power is out. As long as your hot phone or a cell can get to the auto-attendant to explain you have a power outage, you should be good. Having Execulink have you on hot switch lines is useful too. (I may have the term wrong there - a prearranged ability to switch your lines to alternates, if only to an alternate auto-attendant where you can explain the power issue.) If you have the above, and a few UPSes in strategic places to survive glitches (to your definition of 'glitch'), you've done all you can do ... sleep easy. Course, with voip.ms and a modicum of someone with a cell data plan, you can just pop up to the web site for those lines, and change the DID to your pre-set up call forward to cell / voice mail message routing. (This actually argues for having a 'hot cell' sitting in a drawer somewhere - tagged to be auto-forwarded to in this alternate.) The (voip.ms) android apps have been really cool. I've played with 1. and 2. below, but my phone is too old for 3. 1. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fireballgroup.voip.assistant - dead, but useful. 2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fireballgroup.voip.assistant.pro - dead project, bugs/quirks, but the ability to click on a caller, filter, direct to hangup (pesky callers), is worth the couple $ it costs. 3. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pcability.voipconsole (key $3, likely worth it, see 2.) ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Nijjar > To: KWLUG discussion > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] The Empire (i.e. Bell) strikes back! > > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 09:16:31PM +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote: >> >> So he asks, what am I using for phone, internet, etc. I says a local >> provider (VMedia for the internet, Ooma for VoIP). So he tells me that if >> the power goes out, I won't have phone service. I said that I also > have >> cellphones. > > It is interesting they are using this argument in their marketing > script. It is something I worry about at work. Having said that, we > have moved from Bell to Execulink for landlines and are pretty happy > (both with the service and with reduced dependencies on The Empire). > > - Paul > > -- > http://pnijjar.freeshell.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Sun May 17 15:05:57 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 15:05:57 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] The Empire (i.e. Bell) strikes back! In-Reply-To: <938312700.634468.1431874224007.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20150516222138.GB4086@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> <938312700.634468.1431874224007.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20150517190556.GA4084@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 02:50:24PM +0000, B. S. wrote: > > The (commercial) power issue is an issue regardless of the lines / provider. > > People have cells. And presumably you have dedicated hot phones. > > Callers seem to have amazing tolerance when you explain the power is out. > > As long as your hot phone or a cell can get to the auto-attendant to > explain you have a power outage, you should be good. Having > Execulink have you on hot switch lines is useful too. (I may have > the term wrong there - a prearranged ability to switch your lines to > alternates, if only to an alternate auto-attendant where you can > explain the power issue.) Not to turn this into a giant thread, but the main issue has to do with emergency calls from our apartments. We cannot rely on residents having cellphones, and if there is an outage (or some other emergency) then they need to contact our housing staff. That is why we make sure we have at least one POTS line per building, and that our phone systems have some ability to fail over to those POTS lines. But I do not think we will ever want to go all VoIP. I agree that for office use having the phone system go out is less of a crisis. - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Fri May 22 21:07:16 2015 From: paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca (Paul Nijjar) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 21:07:16 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Semi-OT: The Working Centre is hiring Message-ID: <20150523010715.GA4311@nb-heartburn.theworkingcentre.org> As a few of you know, we have been looking to hire somebody for our IT department. We have been reluctant to post this widely, and I have been reluctant to make an official posting to the KWLUG membership: - The position is not purely a Free Software position. In fact, I am technically a Windows administrator. We do approach IT in some ways that are similar to FLOSS, though. - It can be really uncomfortable when people we know and like on a personal level are not good fits for the job, and it makes things awkward. I am hoping we can minimize this. - We are looking for some pretty specific qualities that do not map very well to the technology buzzwords of the day. - We pay considerably less than other organizations, so people who choose to work for us have to do so consciously. - I hate the entire job search process on either side of the interview table, so I am prone to procrastinate. We are not looking for any particular technology buzzwords, even though we use specific technologies. Instead, we are looking for people who: - Have good troubleshooting and problem solving skills, and can deep-dive to solve problems that come up. - Related to the above, are quick learners who can pick up technological skills as needed. - Are willing and able to work with non-technological people without making them feel bad (no BOFHs, please). - Can get along with other IT people and our staff and our volunteers. - Are a good fit for the culture and philosophy at The Working Centre. The role itself is not rigidly defined; we would rather hire the right person and shape the position around his or her strengths than hire a wrong person who promises to fill a short-term technology gap. Having said that, it is likely that there will be some core IT stuff (server administration, desktop maintenance, network infrastructure), some help desk roles, and some web development (currently in Drupal and Django, but pre-existing knowledge of those frameworks is not a precondition for employment). The facts that we pay poorly and do not ask for a lot of technological buzzwords does not mean that the job is easy. The infrastructure here is complex and has a lot of components to serve many different parts of the organization. I am guessing that the person we hire is going to have some deep technical experience with something; it just won't necessarily be something we use in the organization (yet). If you are interested in applying then you should start by looking at the following documents (which includes a blog post of mine; sorry): - http://www.theworkingcentre.org/about-us/2490-permanent-job-posting - http://www.theworkingcentre.org/about-us/2445-doing-good-work - http://pnijjar.freeshell.org/2013/two-job-descriptions/ If you want to know more about the kinds of stuff we do, or have other questions about what this is all aboot, please contact me offlist. I can probably get you in touch with some other people who work here or have worked here in the past, so you can get a less biased (or at least differently biased) view. If you want to apply then you should read the documents linked above, and use your troubleshooting skills to figure out what to do. Feel free to pass this posting on to individuals you think might be good candidates for the role. Please do not post it to Indeed or other job posting sites. If the word-of-mouth campaign fails then we might end up making a proper job posting ourselves. - Paul -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org From crankyoldbugger at gmail.com Mon May 25 14:05:26 2015 From: crankyoldbugger at gmail.com (CrankyOldBugger) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:05:26 +0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question Message-ID: OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she needs to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year we can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from a PC) Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play store but not finding much yet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry at yahoo.ca Mon May 25 14:33:58 2015 From: opengeometry at yahoo.ca (William Park) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 14:33:58 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150525183358.GA14600@node1.localdomain> Why not enter the data into spreadsheet to begin with? Like, Google spreadsheet, or search for "spreadsheet" for Android. -- William On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 06:05:26PM +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... > > Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android > tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she needs > to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year we > can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. > > She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input the > data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from a > PC) > > Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play > store but not finding much yet. > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From nguenthe at uwaterloo.ca Mon May 25 14:37:38 2015 From: nguenthe at uwaterloo.ca (Nick Guenther) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 14:37:38 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: <20150525183358.GA14600@node1.localdomain> References: <20150525183358.GA14600@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <20150525143738.130079fj89r0k0ky@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> Yes. This is almost certainly the right answer. You could quickly rig up a form for her which does 99% of what VBA for Access used to do: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/87809?hl=en -- Nick Guenther 4B Stats/CS University of Waterloo Quoting William Park : > Why not enter the data into spreadsheet to begin with? Like, Google > spreadsheet, or search for "spreadsheet" for Android. > -- > William > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 06:05:26PM +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote: >> OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... >> >> Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android >> tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she needs >> to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year we >> can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. >> >> She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input the >> data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from a >> PC) >> >> Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play >> store but not finding much yet. > >> _______________________________________________ >> kwlug-disc mailing list >> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >> http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > From kb at 2bits.com Mon May 25 14:51:51 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 14:51:51 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems that what she needs is an invoicing app. There are a few of those. Check Zoho and Invoice2Go for features, ..etc. What I use is Harvest, which is now $129 per year. It has an Android app, though I have not used it. Probably one of the free ones has most of the Harvest features. I need to check if I can export everything, then I don't need to pay that annual amount. On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:05 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... > > Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android > tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she needs > to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year we > can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. > > She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input > the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from > a PC) > > Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play > store but not finding much yet. > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crankyoldbugger at gmail.com Mon May 25 14:58:51 2015 From: crankyoldbugger at gmail.com (CrankyOldBugger) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:58:51 +0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I may have something: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.smartlab.tshop It looks like a decent POS package. It has to be simple enough that she can quickly type in the details while the client is standing right there. Nothing fancy. If it keeps customer names and re-suggests them next time, that would be even better. On Mon, 25 May 2015 at 14:52 Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > Seems that what she needs is an invoicing app. > > There are a few of those. Check Zoho and Invoice2Go for features, ..etc. > > What I use is Harvest, which is now $129 per year. It has an Android app, > though I have not used it. > > Probably one of the free ones has most of the Harvest features. I need to > check if I can export everything, then I don't need to pay that annual > amount. > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:05 PM, CrankyOldBugger < > crankyoldbugger at gmail.com> wrote: > >> OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... >> >> Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android >> tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she needs >> to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year we >> can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. >> >> She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input >> the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from >> a PC) >> >> Does anyone know of such a beast? 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She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from a PC) Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play store but not finding much yet. _______________________________________________ kwlug-disc mailing list kwlug-disc at kwlug.org http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kfarwell at member.fsf.org Mon May 25 18:12:58 2015 From: kfarwell at member.fsf.org (Kyle Farwell) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:12:58 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37330EDC-58E4-47A6-A371-8BE1000B16F2@member.fsf.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 GnuCash is maybe overkill but is free. It exports to QIF and OFX and once imported into the desktop counterpart you can generate reports in more formats. https://f-droid.org/app/org.gnucash.android On May 25, 2015 2:05:26 PM EDT, CrankyOldBugger wrote: >OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... > >Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android >tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she >needs >to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year >we >can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. > >She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input >the >data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from >a >PC) > >Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play >store but not finding much yet. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >kwlug-disc mailing list >kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org - -- Kyle Farwell -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.1.1 iGsEAREKACsFAlVjnmokHEt5bGUgRmFyd2VsbCA8a2ZhcndlbGxAb3Blbm1haWwu Y2M+AAoJEMG1PVH5jTg1jTIAoKPDYntTEtxPGT2tzdWCBBX2uFtvAJsE8wMrTZJk r0xyoTATIT6cTutJSQ== =arNv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jvj at golden.net Tue May 26 19:12:10 2015 From: jvj at golden.net (John Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:12:10 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5564FDCA.7030007@golden.net> Borrowing from other suggestions: Googled with the terms *google play pos* and was hit with whole lot of hits for Android. /play JohnJ On 2015-05-25 14:05, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... > > Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android > tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she > needs to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end > of year we can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing > the taxes. > > She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just > input the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the > year, but from a PC) > > Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play > store but not finding much yet. > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4347/9865 - Release Date: 05/25/15 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 26 May 2015 at 19:12 John Johnson wrote: > Borrowing from other suggestions: > Googled with the terms *google play pos* > and was hit with whole lot of hits for Android. > /play > JohnJ > > > > On 2015-05-25 14:05, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > > OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... > > Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android > tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she needs > to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year we > can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. > > She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input > the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from > a PC) > > Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play > store but not finding much yet. > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing listkwlug-disc at kwlug.orghttp://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4347/9865 - Release Date: 05/25/15 > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb at 2bits.com Tue May 26 21:50:42 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 21:50:42 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Mandria is over ... Message-ID: There are some Mandriva users on this list. I have not used them for some years, when they were still named Mandrake, before moving to Ubuntu. Sad to see them go ... http://www.businessinsider.com/mandriva-goes-out-of-business-2015-5 -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwalsh at notw.ca Tue May 26 22:59:56 2015 From: gwalsh at notw.ca (Gary Walsh) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 22:59:56 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Mandria is over ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92E3F956-D966-4810-A59A-89EC68991A60@notw.ca> Mageia is the successor to Mandriva and is going strong. Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia has been my main distro since around '98. I sometimes use Ubuntu derived distros, but I have never found them to be as good as Mageia. -- Gary On May 26, 2015 9:50:42 PM EDT, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: >There are some Mandriva users on this list. >I have not used them for some years, when they were still named >Mandrake, >before moving to Ubuntu. > >Sad to see them go ... > >http://www.businessinsider.com/mandriva-goes-out-of-business-2015-5 > >-- >Khalid M. Baheyeldin >2bits.com, Inc. >Fast Reliable Drupal >Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. >Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra >Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci >For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, >and >wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >kwlug-disc mailing list >kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb at 2bits.com Tue May 26 23:07:29 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:07:29 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Mandria is over ... In-Reply-To: <92E3F956-D966-4810-A59A-89EC68991A60@notw.ca> References: <92E3F956-D966-4810-A59A-89EC68991A60@notw.ca> Message-ID: For me, once I saw the light of .deb + central repositories, I never looked back ... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Gary Walsh wrote: > Mageia is the successor to Mandriva and is going strong. Mandrake/Mandriva > and now Mageia has been my main distro since around '98. I sometimes use > Ubuntu derived distros, but I have never found them to be as good as > Mageia. > -- > Gary > > On May 26, 2015 9:50:42 PM EDT, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: >> >> There are some Mandriva users on this list. >> I have not used them for some years, when they were still named Mandrake, >> before moving to Ubuntu. >> >> Sad to see them go ... >> >> http://www.businessinsider.com/mandriva-goes-out-of-business-2015-5 >> > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwalsh at notw.ca Tue May 26 23:22:26 2015 From: gwalsh at notw.ca (Gary Walsh) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:22:26 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Mandria is over ... In-Reply-To: References: <92E3F956-D966-4810-A59A-89EC68991A60@notw.ca> Message-ID: <82A9198A-5F8A-4B4D-9BBB-69FC13D69B37@notw.ca> I have never found Mageia's repository lacking. I only occasionally find that some new or obscure package to be missing. RPM packages are every bit as good as .deb. -- Gary On May 26, 2015 11:07:29 PM EDT, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: >For me, once I saw the light of .deb + central repositories, I never >looked >back ... > >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Gary Walsh wrote: > >> Mageia is the successor to Mandriva and is going strong. >Mandrake/Mandriva >> and now Mageia has been my main distro since around '98. I sometimes >use >> Ubuntu derived distros, but I have never found them to be as good as >> Mageia. >> -- >> Gary >> >> On May 26, 2015 9:50:42 PM EDT, Khalid Baheyeldin >wrote: >>> >>> There are some Mandriva users on this list. >>> I have not used them for some years, when they were still named >Mandrake, >>> before moving to Ubuntu. >>> >>> Sad to see them go ... >>> >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/mandriva-goes-out-of-business-2015-5 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kwlug-disc mailing list >> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >> http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org >> >> > > >-- >Khalid M. Baheyeldin >2bits.com, Inc. >Fast Reliable Drupal >Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. >Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra >Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci >For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, >and >wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >kwlug-disc mailing list >kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry at yahoo.ca Tue May 26 23:37:13 2015 From: opengeometry at yahoo.ca (William Park) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:37:13 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: References: <5564FDCA.7030007@golden.net> Message-ID: <20150527033712.GA26374@node1.localdomain> >From top of my head... Is there "shell" for Android? If so, then you can just write a script to spit out CSV line using user's data. -- William On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 01:19:40AM +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > You know, despite all the great suggestions here, I find these days that > the Google Play store is getting to be a very scary place. Some of the > comments people post under an app are just plain hostile. > > That being said, my searches all seem to lean towards "TabShop Android > POS". It's much more complicated that what we need it for, but I wonder if > I can "dumb it down" to make it easy to use. I might just install it and > see what happens. > > Thanks to all who responded... > > > On Tue, 26 May 2015 at 19:12 John Johnson wrote: > > > Borrowing from other suggestions: > > Googled with the terms *google play pos* > > and was hit with whole lot of hits for Android. > > /play > > JohnJ > > > > > > > > On 2015-05-25 14:05, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > > > > OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... > > > > Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android > > tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she needs > > to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year we > > can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. > > > > She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input > > the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from > > a PC) > > > > Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play > > store but not finding much yet. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kwlug-disc mailing listkwlug-disc at kwlug.orghttp://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4347/9865 - Release Date: 05/25/15 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From opengeometry at yahoo.ca Tue May 26 23:43:49 2015 From: opengeometry at yahoo.ca (William Park) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:43:49 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Mandria is over ... In-Reply-To: References: <92E3F956-D966-4810-A59A-89EC68991A60@notw.ca> Message-ID: <20150527034349.GA26396@node1.localdomain> You know, pretty soon, Debian will go out of business. -- William On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:07:29PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > For me, once I saw the light of .deb + central repositories, I never looked > back ... > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Gary Walsh wrote: > > > Mageia is the successor to Mandriva and is going strong. Mandrake/Mandriva > > and now Mageia has been my main distro since around '98. I sometimes use > > Ubuntu derived distros, but I have never found them to be as good as > > Mageia. > > -- > > Gary > > > > On May 26, 2015 9:50:42 PM EDT, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > >> > >> There are some Mandriva users on this list. > >> I have not used them for some years, when they were still named Mandrake, > >> before moving to Ubuntu. > >> > >> Sad to see them go ... > >> > >> http://www.businessinsider.com/mandriva-goes-out-of-business-2015-5 > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > > > -- > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > 2bits.com, Inc. > Fast Reliable Drupal > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From keefer.rourke at gmail.com Tue May 26 23:45:26 2015 From: keefer.rourke at gmail.com (Keefer Rourke) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:45:26 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: <20150527033712.GA26374@node1.localdomain> References: <5564FDCA.7030007@golden.net> <20150527033712.GA26374@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: > > Is there "shell" for Android? Absolutely there is. On stock Android you have the root shell accessible via adb, and you can also download a terminal emulator which will give you shell access in the user space. This shell is very limited however, so doing fancy things is probably difficult/impossible. If your Android is rooted and has busybox however, that's an entirely different story. Enjoy your full shell. On topic though, writing a script to do this might be a bit convoluted or unnecessary, given the number of options available for POS apps, both flossy and non-free. Cheers, Keefer On 26 May 2015 at 23:37, William Park wrote: > From top of my head... > Is there "shell" for Android? If so, then you can just write a script > to spit out CSV line using user's data. > -- > William > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 01:19:40AM +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > > You know, despite all the great suggestions here, I find these days that > > the Google Play store is getting to be a very scary place. Some of the > > comments people post under an app are just plain hostile. > > > > That being said, my searches all seem to lean towards "TabShop Android > > POS". It's much more complicated that what we need it for, but I wonder > if > > I can "dumb it down" to make it easy to use. I might just install it and > > see what happens. > > > > Thanks to all who responded... > > > > > > On Tue, 26 May 2015 at 19:12 John Johnson wrote: > > > > > Borrowing from other suggestions: > > > Googled with the terms *google play pos* > > > and was hit with whole lot of hits for Android. > > > /play > > > JohnJ > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2015-05-25 14:05, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > > > > > > OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... > > > > > > Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android > > > tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she > needs > > > to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year > we > > > can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. > > > > > > She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just > input > > > the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but > from > > > a PC) > > > > > > Does anyone know of such a beast? 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URL: From crankyoldbugger at gmail.com Wed May 27 09:16:48 2015 From: crankyoldbugger at gmail.com (CrankyOldBugger) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 13:16:48 +0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Mandria is over ... In-Reply-To: <20150527034349.GA26396@node1.localdomain> References: <92E3F956-D966-4810-A59A-89EC68991A60@notw.ca> <20150527034349.GA26396@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: I don't know about Debian, but I'm really excited about the possibility of a Canonical IPO. On Tue, 26 May 2015 at 23:44 William Park wrote: > You know, pretty soon, Debian will go out of business. > -- > William > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:07:29PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > > For me, once I saw the light of .deb + central repositories, I never > looked > > back ... > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Gary Walsh wrote: > > > > > Mageia is the successor to Mandriva and is going strong. > Mandrake/Mandriva > > > and now Mageia has been my main distro since around '98. I sometimes > use > > > Ubuntu derived distros, but I have never found them to be as good as > > > Mageia. > > > -- > > > Gary > > > > > > On May 26, 2015 9:50:42 PM EDT, Khalid Baheyeldin > wrote: > > >> > > >> There are some Mandriva users on this list. > > >> I have not used them for some years, when they were still named > Mandrake, > > >> before moving to Ubuntu. > > >> > > >> Sad to see them go ... > > >> > > >> http://www.businessinsider.com/mandriva-goes-out-of-business-2015-5 > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Khalid M. Baheyeldin > > 2bits.com, Inc. > > Fast Reliable Drupal > > Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. > > Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra > > Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci > > For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and > > wrong." -- H.L. Mencken > > > _______________________________________________ > > kwlug-disc mailing list > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bs27975 at yahoo.ca Wed May 27 22:06:26 2015 From: bs27975 at yahoo.ca (B. S.) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 02:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [kwlug-disc] Android question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421884731.92487.1432778786438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Google sheets, as mentioned, is probably the correct answer, for this moment. Given the newness of the solution for this instance, a spreadsheet will give you max flexibility as you work out what you need / want / works best for you. Let's you take a copy of the sheet, munge an play with it, along the way. e.g. 1st row labels, 2nd row total, just keep adding rows and watch the total go up. Should be able to summarize (pivot table?) by client id then mail merge out to annual notes ('publish'?). Keeps versions, so you can go back upon a miskey. I'd guess there are sheet templates that will be useful for this. Go addons / get addons, once in a sheet. Quick search for invoice gave an immediate hit of 'BillMyClients'. googling 'google docs sheets templates' got me https://drive.google.com/templates?type=spreadsheets&&ddrp=1# Perhaps the way to think about this is not play.google.com, but (Chrome) apps.google.com. >________________________________ > From: CrankyOldBugger >To: KWLUG discussion >Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 2:58 PM >Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Android question > > > >I may have something: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.smartlab.tshop > > >It looks like a decent POS package. > > >It has to be simple enough that she can quickly type in the details while the client is standing right there. Nothing fancy. If it keeps customer names and re-suggests them next time, that would be even better. > > > > > > >On Mon, 25 May 2015 at 14:52 Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: > >Seems that what she needs is an invoicing app. >> >>There are a few of those. Check Zoho and Invoice2Go for features, ..etc. >> >>What I use is Harvest, which is now $129 per year. It has an Android app, though I have not used it. >> >>Probably one of the free ones has most of the Harvest features. I need to check if I can export everything, then I don't need to pay that annual amount. >> >> >> >>On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:05 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote: >> >>OK, not a Linux question in the purest sense... >>> >>> >>>Wifeski asked me if there's a program that she can load on her Android tablet that will help her to keep track of her sales. Basically she needs to be able to say "so-and-so paid in full $xxx" and at the end of year we can dump that info to a spreadsheet on a computer for doing the taxes. >>> >>> >>>She doesn't need to actually print receipts from the tablet, just input the data for them (then print 1 per client at the end of the year, but from a PC) >>> >>> >>>Does anyone know of such a beast? I've been flipping through the Play store but not finding much yet. From crankyoldbugger at gmail.com Thu May 28 13:05:26 2015 From: crankyoldbugger at gmail.com (CrankyOldBugger) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 17:05:26 +0000 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Dell and Canonical Message-ID: If you're in the market for a new laptop, you might want to consider Dell: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Dell-Is-Telling-Customers-to-Try-a-New-OS-Ubuntu-482588.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chaslinux at gmail.com Thu May 28 13:07:03 2015 From: chaslinux at gmail.com (Charles M) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:07:03 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Mandria is over ... In-Reply-To: References: <92E3F956-D966-4810-A59A-89EC68991A60@notw.ca> <20150527034349.GA26396@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: I flip-flopped over the years trying a lot of distributions (even Corel Linux at one point) starting with Slackware 97 and sticking with Ubuntu-based variations for the past several years. I bought Mandrake back when they sold boxed editions. I also bought SuSE 9.2 (just after Novell bought it). I enjoyed both distributions when I used them. I remember loving SuSE Professional because the physical documentation was extremely good, but when 9.3 came out it took more resources than my notebook could handle. At that point I think I switched to Fedora Core. Paul N. converted me to Debian-based distributions when I started working with him on wclp.sourceforge.net. I really haven't looked back from Debian-based distributions since. If Ubuntu forks away from Debian I might look again at pure Debian or some variant. Sad to see Mandriva go, but they always seemed to be in trouble. Like many I'm surprised they lasted so long. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:16 AM, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > I don't know about Debian, but I'm really excited about the possibility of > a Canonical IPO. > > > On Tue, 26 May 2015 at 23:44 William Park wrote: > >> You know, pretty soon, Debian will go out of business. >> -- >> William >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:07:29PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote: >> > For me, once I saw the light of .deb + central repositories, I never >> looked >> > back ... >> > >> > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Gary Walsh wrote: >> > >> > > Mageia is the successor to Mandriva and is going strong. >> Mandrake/Mandriva >> > > and now Mageia has been my main distro since around '98. I sometimes >> use >> > > Ubuntu derived distros, but I have never found them to be as good as >> > > Mageia. >> > > -- >> > > Gary >> > > >> > > On May 26, 2015 9:50:42 PM EDT, Khalid Baheyeldin >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> There are some Mandriva users on this list. >> > >> I have not used them for some years, when they were still named >> Mandrake, >> > >> before moving to Ubuntu. >> > >> >> > >> Sad to see them go ... >> > >> >> > >> http://www.businessinsider.com/mandriva-goes-out-of-business-2015-5 >> > >> >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > kwlug-disc mailing list >> > > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >> > > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Khalid M. 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I don't see any date. -- William On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 05:05:26PM +0000, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > If you're in the market for a new laptop, you might want to consider Dell: > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Dell-Is-Telling-Customers-to-Try-a-New-OS-Ubuntu-482588.shtml > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From lists at alteeve.ca Thu May 28 13:25:18 2015 From: lists at alteeve.ca (Digimer) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:25:18 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Dell and Canonical In-Reply-To: <20150528172222.GA16114@node1.localdomain> References: <20150528172222.GA16114@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <55674F7E.4010105@alteeve.ca> On 28/05/15 01:22 PM, William Park wrote: > Is this new or old article? I don't see any date. > It's new: By Silviu Stahie 28 May 2015, 12:39 GMT -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? From opengeometry at yahoo.ca Thu May 28 13:30:03 2015 From: opengeometry at yahoo.ca (William Park) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:30:03 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Dell and Canonical In-Reply-To: <55674F7E.4010105@alteeve.ca> References: <20150528172222.GA16114@node1.localdomain> <55674F7E.4010105@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: <20150528173003.GA16202@node1.localdomain> Yea, sorry. The date is to the right end of screen. -- William On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 01:25:18PM -0400, Digimer wrote: > On 28/05/15 01:22 PM, William Park wrote: > > Is this new or old article? I don't see any date. > > > > It's new: > > By Silviu Stahie 28 May 2015, 12:39 GMT > > -- > Digimer > Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ > What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without > access to education? > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org From chaslinux at gmail.com Thu May 28 13:49:41 2015 From: chaslinux at gmail.com (CHARLES MCCOLM) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:49:41 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Shameless promotion Message-ID: First, sorry if this is a bit spammish, but i think it's relevant and some on the list might be interested.? It looks like Packt Publishing, the publisher who published my book is giving away a free ebook every day from now on. They did this before as a short term event around Christmas (they gave my book away on Dec. 13) but this looks like they're doing it from now on every day (UK time). The catch is you have to have an account (free, at least when I signed up) and each book is only available for 1 day (after that it's regular price). Packt only publishes technology books. Of course some material goes out of date before being published, but much of what I've seen so far is relevant and somewhat current. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb at 2bits.com Thu May 28 16:10:27 2015 From: kb at 2bits.com (Khalid Baheyeldin) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 16:10:27 -0400 Subject: [kwlug-disc] Dell and Canonical In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wonder how serious Dell is this time around. They did that in past, only to let it slip through and not have it as a serious offering. Perhaps it is renewal time for Microsoft Windows agreement and they are negotiating? On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:05 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote: > If you're in the market for a new laptop, you might want to consider Dell: > > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Dell-Is-Telling-Customers-to-Try-a-New-OS-Ubuntu-482588.shtml > > > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. Fast Reliable Drupal Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They did this before as a > short term event around Christmas (they gave my book away on Dec. 13) but > this looks like they're doing it from now on every day (UK time). > > The catch is you have to have an account (free, at least when I signed up) > and each book is only available for 1 day (after that it's regular price). > > > Packt only publishes technology books. Of course some material goes out of > date before being published, but much of what I've seen so far is relevant > and somewhat current. > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They did this before as a >> short term event around Christmas (they gave my book away on Dec. 13) but >> this looks like they're doing it from now on every day (UK time). >> >> The catch is you have to have an account (free, at least when I signed >> up) and each book is only available for 1 day (after that it's regular >> price). >> >> >> Packt only publishes technology books. Of course some material goes out >> of date before being published, but much of what I've seen so far is >> relevant and somewhat current. >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kwlug-disc mailing list >> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org >> http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ > kwlug-disc mailing list > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org > http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bs27975 at yahoo.ca Fri May 29 12:46:37 2015 From: bs27975 at yahoo.ca (B. S.) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 16:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [kwlug-disc] Shameless promotion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1593317055.1530093.1432917997814.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Not spammish, not endlessly beaten to death, so informative and appreciated. Please continue (everyone) with such heads up. The list will let you know when it crosses some line. (-: ] There are only so many hours in a day, so much news / googling one can do before eyes glaze over ... probably missing a tidbit that leads to something one is interested in pursuing a bit further. Easier to skip through a bit of text than screenfuls of irrelevant images! >________________________________ > From: CHARLES M >To: KWLUG discussion >Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:49 PM >Subject: [kwlug-disc] Shameless promotion > >First, sorry if this is a bit spammish, but i think it's relevant and some on the list might be interested. > > >It looks like Packt Publishing, the publisher who published my book is giving away a free ebook every day from now on. ...