[kwlug-disc] KWLUG and CASL (and Mailman)

[Andrew Sullivan Cant]

Paul,

Maybe helpful, I am hoping to get a Discourse[1] instance setup for
KWRuby[2], so maybe that would be useful for KWLUG in the future.

I seems like there are some discussion of how it can work as a mailing
list, but I'd have to investigate farther to see if it would really work:
* https://meta.discourse.org/t/can-discourse-replace-mailing-lists/10888
* https://meta.discourse.org/t/replacing-mailing-lists-email-in/13099

And might give better support for subscribe/unsubscribe type support.

And one of the main developers, Robin Ward[3], is in Toronto too so
that's cool. :)

Andrew

[1] http://www.discourse.org
[2] http://kwruby.ca/
[3] http://eviltrout.com/

On 2014-06-18, 1:45 PM, Paul Nijjar wrote:
> 
> My feeling is that the Canadian anti-spam legislation does not apply
> to KWLUG mailing lists, but I do not know this for sure. 
> 
> Background: 
> http://fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/eng/home
> 
> Some thoughts: 
> 
> KWLUG has two mailing lists of note: kwlug-announce and kwlug-disc. 
> The only commercial solicitations on these lists that I can think of
> are: 
> 
> - People offering to sell things on kwlug-disc
> - Information about the FLOSS Fund 
> 
> I believe that almost everybody on kwlug-announce has consented to
> being on the list: 
> - Many people signed up during our meetings
> - Some people subscribed on their own
> - A few people gave verbal consent to be on the list (and then we
>   subscribed them)
> 
> The problem is that we do not have paperwork to explicitly track how
> people got on the list. 
> 
> A similar situation exists for kwlug-disc, except that there are very
> few people who were signed up during meetings. 
> 
> I do not think I should be too concerned about this, but maybe I
> should be. KWLUG does not actually exist in the eyes of the
> government; we are not registered as a nonprofit or a business or
> anything else. So it is not clear who gets sued/arrested if some
> proprietary software troublemaker raises a stink about getting KWLUG
> emails. 
> 
> One oddity about the legislation is that organizations are supposed to
> put snailmail addresses in their messages. We don't have a snailmail
> address, so unless a member wants to handle this I do not know what to
> do. 
> 
> I am thinking I should probably make mention of CASL in the next
> kwlug-announce message, but I am not that enthusiastic about purging
> the list and starting again. 
> 
> One of the confounding factors is that Mailman sucks for complying
> with this legislation. As far as I know, it does not have good ways to
> track when and how people are subscribed. Its unsubscribe
> functionality also sucks. Thus people are going to proprietary
> solutions like Mailchimp which rewrite all links in a message with
> tracking information. 
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> - Paul
> 
> 
> --
> http://pnijjar.freeshell.org
> 
> 
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