[kwlug-disc] Evaluating webhosting

Adam Glauser adamglauser at gmail.com
Thu Oct 3 22:41:07 EDT 2013


There are at least two problems with such a policy.

First, lots of Canada to Canada traffic is routed through the States, as
Paul said. Even if encrypted, this will possibly be collected by the NSA.
It is even plausible that it could eventually be decrypted and studied.

Secondly, we know that the CSEC is up to at least some of the same
shenanigans as the NSA/GCHQ/etc.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Ftechnology%2Fstory%2F2013%2F06%2F12%2Ff-communication-security-establishment-canada.html&ei=DCdOUsmMFNCUqwHKzoCwBA&usg=AFQjCNF7egL2610td3M0D25ZZ-1dW7wPHg&sig2=dBmFRE3j4Usx2AEPnrhrdA&bvm=bv.53537100,d.aWM

Not only that, but they likely all share information with one another.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-politics/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/29/harper-government-gives-eavesdropping-agency-ok-to-exchange-info-with-foreign-partners-despite-risk-of-torture

I suppose there is something to be said for both all intended parties to
the communication being under the same privacy laws, but I don't think a
"must be hosted in Canada" policy is a sufficient response to fear of the
Patriot Act. Any such policy I've encountered has had that fear at its root.
On Oct 3, 2013 8:48 PM, "unsolicited" <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:

> Keeping content / traffic in Canada misguided at best?
>
> Huh?
>
> On 13-10-03 08:20 PM, Paul Nijjar wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree that self-hosting email is a pain, and since I am not going to
>> be supporting this person in her webhosting I have no intentions of
>> doing so. But other people are more used to the pain than me. I have
>> the feeling that some sysadmins are into pain, which may be a
>> conversation not appropriate for this list.
>>
>> Government requirements may be a factor here, but some of the
>> regulations (eg keeping services hosted in Canada even though the
>> traffic will probably be routed through Chicago to be sniffed by the
>> NSA) can be misguided at best.
>>
>> - Paul
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 12:31:48PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I want to iterate what has been said before that hosting your own email
>>> is
>>> not worth it. Better delegate that to someone like Google Apps, and not
>>> deal with blacklisting, spam, downtime, ...etc.
>>>
>>> That is, unless you have government requirements not to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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