[kwlug-disc] OT: Another voip.ms troubleshooting question

Jason Locklin locklin.jason at gmail.com
Tue Sep 11 15:26:44 EDT 2012

On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 19:16 -0400, unsolicited wrote:
> Rogers internet is rate limited and shaped. Their other traffic over 
> that wire will not be. VoIP travelling over the internet service will be 
> at a significant disadvantage over their home phone.

Of course it will. Dedicated private networks are great for IP
telephony. That's why many large businesses use them in-house. No need
to compete with other traffic, no extra hops going all over the country,
among other providers, etc. That's why I said that Rogers home phone was
not really comparable with VoIP in the first place.

> Of course that it's the same wire makes a difference. It is the point, 
> actually.
> Your example does not apply. They are not the same conduits. May be the 
> same content, but are different conduits.

What is a conduit? 

> > They should be required to provide neutral passage to all
> > data on their Internet connection,
> Not 'all data on their Internet connection', all data on the ENTIRE 
> WIRE. Thus, their home phone acquires an uncompetitive advantage.

And how do you suggest they do that? Run all their services through the
Internet connection? Besides the fact that that would be quite the
technical hurdle, are you going to require Bell to do the same? No more
POTS over twisted pair -only VOIP over DSL? 

Everything over Internet may be an ideal, but demanding it is kind of
premature. There are plenty of good uses for private, or otherwise
non-IP networks -including for the sale of services. Rogers is already
forced to allow competitors to set up private networks on their coax, so
preventing them from creating their own for specialized services would
be silly.


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