[kwlug-disc] Just Asking

Kiwi Ssennyonjo kiwi at ssenn.com
Fri Jun 24 13:24:48 EDT 2011

RIM MUST think of its customers. Yeah yeah, the niche market has been the
corporation. The BES platform is the best! No other product has matured to
offer the same functionality; I have looked.

The new Customer that RIM must think of is the one that wants to converge
all their devices/toys (tv, phone, tablet, even your car stereo) to one
ecosystem. These are elements that exist outside the corporation.

Applications, are very very thin on the Blackberry platform, go ahead try
and find a SIP application, without having to buy their software platform. I
found over 20 candidates on the Android Market, I will not even boar you
with how many on the AppStore.
Simple things like that empower the user, are the contributing factors to
RIM's slump.
Like the Android, RIM also suffers from fragmentation.

Apple, is doing it again. With iMessage; which is not really new; RIM had an
iteration first, they have attacked  ALL the worlds carriers in one single
blow. iMessages gives back to the consumer that value that the carrier has
been charging you for texting.
Apple improve upon iMessage by supporting it on all their IOS devices. Just
think, this will extend to your AppleTV, your iPad and what ever else they
chose for you.

RIM is an innovative company; they gave us PUSH. they will find a way to get
out of this slump.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:

> Bob Jonkman wrote, On 06/24/2011 10:07 AM:
>> But I disagree - There is still plenty of market to sell to. The two
>> players that are in hot water have closed and proprietary systems, which
>> were marginal consumer marketshare to begin with.
> Is one of these two Nokia? If so, did not Nokia own the cell phone market
> not long ago?
> >  Nokia would have been
>> OK if they hadn't moved to a Windows based phone OS.
> I have no reason to believe that's true. If Nokia had been ok without
> moving to Windows, they wouldn't have moved to Windows, IMO.
> I think Nokia was doomed, regardless. Same as, and in the same way, Palm
> was?
> ... hmmm ... is RIM where Nokia was? [For all the reasons you mentioned.]
> >  The remaining
>> players are those with  (mostly) open Android Linux phones, and Apple.  I
>> think there will be further market shakeup, leaving only Android and Apple
>> to duke it out.
> Mmm. Don't know about that. Depends if RIM can figure out, implement, and
> deliver, whatever the next generation is, in time. Or keep building, at an
> acceptable level, verticals. [To Kiwi's point, those verticals will have to
> be broadened, horizontally, too.]
> Kiwi makes a good point on Android - the lack of breadth that Apple has.
> Not that they're not vigorously working on that. But is that (current)
> Android breadth not ... Google? Which has at least some level of resistance,
> and (currently) some limits - Google being 'only' Google, after all.
> I wonder if the hard wall Android has in front of it is the same wall that
> the deep penetration of Linux desktops has been unable to manage.
> If Android has the same 'hard' limits that RIM does, a non-infinite
> ecosystem, will it ultimately go the way of RIM?
> Apple isn't going to take over the world (or it already would have), so
> something supra-Android will emerge. Perhaps from RIM?
> (Even if so, the paradigm change has happened - Android / free software
> will never not be a pillar of the environment, again, I expect.)
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