[kwlug-disc] UBB, VOIP, and my wallet

Insurance Squared Inc. gcooke at insurancesquared.com
Mon Jan 31 16:10:50 EST 2011


The nasty part of this?  The anti-selection that's about to take place.  
All the high bandwidth users will be bailing for these other providers.  
Low useage/more profitable customers have no incentive to switch.  Bell 
keeps all the profitable customers, Yak takes all the low profit 
customers. (assuming that they make less money on higher bandwidth 
customers, which I suspect is debatable).

It's all very devious and stifling for our access going forward.


On 31/01/11 04:06 PM, Eric Gerlach wrote:
> Yak has reduced their operating area to KW, Barrie, and parts of
> Toronto only (i.e. where they don't have to resell Bell).  EyeSurf
> only offers service in KW, where they have their own equipment.  They
> don't resell Bell at all, I asked.  The rep I got was quite proud of
> that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Eric
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Colin Mackay<zixiekat at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> The only issue is if you're not local to one of their co-located CO's, then
>> you get Bell resale DSL.   At least for Yak, dunno about eyesurf...
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Eric Gerlach<eric+kwlug at gerlach.ca>  wrote:
>>      
>>> I just switched to EyeSurf.net.  They offer landline (non-voip) and
>>> DSL for $50/month, and they're not affected by UBB.  Yak.ca offers
>>> similar packages.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Chris Irwin<chris at chrisirwin.ca>  wrote:
>>>        
>>>> I've been crunching the numbers with this UBB thing, and it looks like
>>>> my bill will be going from $40 to $56 to keep the status quo. Not a
>>>> nice change. I've been looking where I can cut back, and I can't see
>>>> myself using less bandwidth. Now that we've got netflix, I can easily
>>>> see us using more.
>>>>
>>>> That leaves non-internet places to cut back, the big one being my
>>>> landline. I'd like to switch to Unlimitel, but am stuck in that "It's
>>>> new and scary" phase (and wishing I didn't daydream during all those
>>>> presentations Lori did). I've got a few questions:
>>>>
>>>> - What kinds of costs do people usually see? I usually talk on the
>>>> phone for maybe an hour or two in a month, total. At $3.50 for the
>>>> number and 1¢/min, I get 650 minutes per month at $10, way more than I
>>>> expect to use. Assuming $10 will give me $20 savings over what I pay
>>>> with now with Bell. ($40 with Bell, but $10 for new dry-loop DSL
>>>> charges).
>>>>
>>>> - Is Trixbox still the way to go?
>>>>
>>>> - Where does one get the adapters to use a regular phone? I think
>>>> network-devices would be best, so I could set up my VOIP machine on a
>>>> VM.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Irwin
>>>> <chris at chrisirwin.ca>
>>>>
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