[kwlug-disc] Your country needs you (or "Our MP is on the C-32 committee")

Denver Gingerich denver at ossguy.com
Sun Nov 21 19:30:09 EST 2010

I think this would be an excellent event to setup.  A lot of different
groups would be interested so it would make sense to have it in a
neutral and probably larger venue.  I think people at UW could get a
decent-sized room.  Perhaps the CSC would be interested and could
help?  I've CCed the WSIC list so they can get in on the discussion.


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:45 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
> Excellent thought.
> Perhaps at a LUG meeting, although I expect many of us would attend an
> evening event, wherever, and whenever. Date likely dictated by when he's in
> the area, and the time of the next vote - sorry, that's wrong, the time by
> which his committee must send their report to parliament for the next vote.
> I'd think you'd get much more than 50 though - we'd need a UofW lecture hall
> or something, capacity wise. [Where did we get together for Marcel's new
> book meeting night?]
> There is some likely crossover here, with UofW, Communitech(? Where the
> android/iphone/symbian? night happened, just off University), perhaps
> others.
> If a non-University venue is needed, I could probably arrange the First
> United gym - podium, sound, screens, projector, although we'd probably run
> out of chairs around the 150 mark. Other chairs could probably be arranged.
> Wouldn't look 'businesslike', but would look 'grass roots' or 'town hall',
> which may be appropriate.
> If someone else wants to run with this, I can corral the facilities and
> manpower to set it up. If you remember, First is right next to Waterloo
> Square, so parking wouldn't likely be an issue.
>        I would need dates sooner rather than later to check for availability
> - it is usually pretty solidly booked. (No, I can't easily do the reverse,
> tell you what dates are available.)
> - I'd post pictures, but zooomr appears down at the moment.
> A lecture hall or auditorium with seats would be less work though. Will
> someone at UofW run with that?
> Chris Bruner wrote, On 11/20/2010 5:24 PM:
>> I wonder if it would be possible to have a chat at a lug meeting, letting
>> him know that open source and free software advocates are very concerned
>> about this matter. If it's just 1 or 2 people calling and chatting it may
>> not have much of an impact, however with a lug meeting of 50 or so members
>> ....
>> On 11/20/2010 10:16 AM, Denver Gingerich wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Apparently (and quite surprisingly to me) Peter Braid is one of the 12
>>> people on the committee that will be revising Bill C-32:
>>> http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/5249
>>> http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4774129&Language=e&Mode=1&Parl=40&Ses=3
>>> For those who are in Waterloo, this is an excellent opportunity to get
>>> your voice heard.  The best way to do this, in my opinion, is to
>>> arrange an in-person meeting with him by calling his office at (519)
>>> 746-1573 and saying you're a constituent that would like to chat with
>>> him.  Call as many times as needed until you get a firm date; I've
>>> found that MPs' offices often say "we'll schedule it and call you
>>> back" but it could be a week or two before they get back to you.  The
>>> squeaky wheel gets the grease (the persistent constituent gets the
>>> firm meeting date).  Oh yeah, and the sooner the better because I've
>>> heard that the government wants Bill C-32 passed before the end of the
>>> year!
>>> I think the most important thing to point out is that the WIPO
>>> Internet Treaties (WCT and WPPT), which the Conservatives want to
>>> ratify, do not require the prohibition of "anti-circumvention"
>>> (restriction removal) tools like doubleTwist and libdvdcss, which Bill
>>> C-32 prohibits in its current form.  Geist makes this very clear in
>>> his article, "The Case for Flexibility in Implementing the WIPO
>>> Internet Treaties: An Examination of the Anti-Circumvention
>>> Requirements" (don't worry, the "EULA" is just BY-NC-ND):
>>> http://www.irwinlaw.com/pages/content-commons/the-case-for-flexibility-in-implementing-the-wipo-internet-treaties--an-examination-of-the-anti-circumvention-requirements---michael-geist
>>> To demonstrate how often TPMs (use "TPMs" instead of "DRM" with MPs as
>>> it more accurately maps onto the Bill C-32 terminology) are used and
>>> whether C-32 restricts their removal, check out these posts of mine:
>>> http://ossguy.com/?p=612 - "DVDs and TPMs: how often is CSS used?": a
>>> list of DVDs and whether they use CSS; conclusion is that about 98% of
>>> DVDs use CSS (useful in demonstrating that TPMs are extremely
>>> prevalent so one should not take the question of how to regulate them
>>> lightly)
>>> http://ossguy.com/?p=662 - "What C-32 means for DVDs": confirmation
>>> that CSS is a TPM (sort of)
>>> http://ossguy.com/?p=696 - "What C-32 means for jailbreaking":
>>> confirmation that jailbreaking is prohibited by C-32 (also sort of)
>>> http://ossguy.com/?p=717 - "Will exemption rulemaking work for C-32?":
>>> analysis of how the US' exemption process works (it's not really
>>> useful, so we shouldn't depend on it); related to "What C-32 means for
>>> jailbreaking"
>>> Along with pointing out that the WIPO Internet Treaties don't require
>>> prohibition of anti-circumvention tools, it's important to note that
>>> prohibiting them is in fact a very bad idea, as hopefully the above
>>> articles will help to show.  It's likely best to approach this from
>>> the competition point of view, ie. if I buy a movie on iTunes, it's
>>> anti-competitive for Apple to restrict that movie to be played only on
>>> Apple devices and as a result, it is necessary to have circumvention
>>> tools to bypass anti-competitive restrictions (so I can play it on the
>>> device of my choice instead of the device of Apple's choice).
>>> I hope this is helpful.  If you're planning to visit Braid and want
>>> some tips, let the list know (or me directly) and we'll help you out.
>>> Denver
>>> http://ossguy.com/
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