[kwlug-disc] Virtualization allocation?
John Van Ostrand
john at netdirect.ca
Sat Nov 6 07:35:32 EDT 2010
I think virtualization is useful. It saves on hardware costs and electrical
costs, at least for those of us who use newer systems.
Virtualization partly exists to deal with server sprawl. Everytime many orgs
needed a new service they obediently bought a new server and new OS license
and created a new problem. Virtualization was the solution to the high cost
of rack space, maintenance warranties, electrical and cooling costs and the
cost of migrating the server to new hardware every so often.
The next problem around the corner, in my mind, is vm sprawl. Now that it's
easy to create a new vm we have even more. Maintenance of these will be the
To summarize: splitting up simple services into seperate vms is still a
problem. Having many more systems to keep updated and secure I think
Not only that but you need precious ram and disk space for each instance.
Instead of using say 2GiB of ram for one system that does it all you need 5
x 2GiB. On big-ass machines disk and ram can get pricey.
We use virtualization because we want to use less resources. It also gives
us the ability to more easily migrate vms to different hardware. Failure or
just age may be the reason for the move.
Another value we see is that we are now running on diagnoseable hardware
(ECC, etc.) So when a system fails we are more confident if it's bad
You may also consider the advantage of less power consumption in both server
and cooling. You may consider the remote access feature: starting and
stopping vms remotely.
For hardware for large vms external storage is a must, usually iSCSI or
fibrechannel. Having it shared means being able to do things like failover
to another host. Having it external (ie in a storage system) means security
and on-line modifications and expansion.
Add as much ram/disk as you can because once people start using vms they add
more all the time and those two constraints are usually the issue.
The downside is that some administration or failures may mean powering off
or losing all servers. To deal with this people use redundant hosts with hot
swappable disk and p/s. The bigger ones put in shared storage and a
redundant host and do live migration of running vms.
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Subject: [kwlug-disc] Virtualization allocation?
I am (foolishly) starting to think about virtualization.
Right now I have a non-virtualized Linux server that serves up several
- Trouble ticket system
- Nagios alerts
- Cacti graphs
- Certificate generation
- Internal mail server
- Lightweight FTP repository
Naturally, this is one of those servers that started out being a
development/staging/proof-of-concept machine and grew. The trouble is
that the machine works pretty well even though it has all of these
As I dabble my pinky-toe into virtualization, I am wondering whether it
makes much sense to split up a box that offers these 5-10 services into
5-10 distinct VMs.
I understand that recovering from a bad hardware failure will be
problematic. I understand that (in principle, at least) splitting up
roles increases security. But I am having a hard time justifying why I
would want to take an old Pentium III that works well and turn it
into several slices of some much more powerful (and expensive!)
I would not be splitting up this box right away even if I decided to,
but I am at the stage where I am thinking about what kind of hardware
I am going to need to support virtualized servers in production.
For those of you who do Linux server virtualization: how do you split
up the load?
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