[kwlug-disc] Linus viruses
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gcooke at insurancesquared.com
Wed Jul 28 11:02:52 EDT 2010
Not false at all. An entire user list has one example of a desktop
getting owned. One. I've got multiple instances of MS desktops getting
owned just in my house. I can't stop my kids MS desktop from getting
owned without draconian policies.
I'm not looking at 'why' this is. But it definitiely is. You start
with a linux desktop out of the box and you are almost certainly NOT
going to get compromised - you're the first time I've heard of someone
who did get compromised.
The comparison isn't 'why'. The comparison is 'MS will get owned'.
'linux desktops don't get owned'. That's what I figured was the case
given my experience with linux desktops.
On 28/07/10 10:57 AM, Rashkae wrote:
> Insurance Squared Inc. wrote:
>> I don't think there's a need to get that specific.
>> I have a linux desktop, had one for something like 5-10 years. I
>> take no specific security precautions, run no virus scanner, and have
>> never had an issue with external intrusions or compromises.
>> Try the same thing with a windows desktop. My mother's computer was
>> filthy with viruses and hacks until I got her on to linux. All I did
>> was do a default install, give her the machine, and no further
>> issues. My point was, linux desktops don't get compromised ever.
>> Not rarely - ever. I've never had it happen, and nobody on this list
>> even knows anybody that it's ever happened to. that's the point I was
>> curious about - could it happen in some remote possibility?
>> Apparently not.
> I'm sorry, this is simply false. Very false. I've once been pwned by
> a worm. I'll freely admit, it was entirely my fault for not locking
> down a default Slackware install and not taking action to fix a well
> publicized vulnerability. It was fascinating to see the hackers work,
> using the compiler toolchain on my system to build the rootkit on the
> fly and access the machine via an irc bot.... fun times. And more
> recently, we have the example of themes being downloaded with malware
> from gnome-look.org; a perfect example of Windows style malware when
> you have users downloading and installing whatever they want with
> admin privilages from untrusted sources.
> I believe Linux security to be far and away better than the
> traditional Windows model, but a direct comparison is unlikely to be
> useful. Linux security is greatly improved by two important factors
> that are, combined, probably better than any software design of modern
> 1. Relative obscurity: If Linux requires more work to compromise and
> represents only 5% of of your potential target base, it makes little
> sense to invest in malware for Linux desktops, currently.
> 2. Linux users are likely to be more tech savvy. So if Linux is on 1
> - 5% of desktops, how many of those are likely to be a potential
> victim? half? less than a quarter?
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