[kwlug-disc] VOIP and Direct Detect (offtopic)

Lori Paniak ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com
Fri Feb 19 17:39:40 EST 2010

Are you sure it is necessary to pay this monitoring tax/extortion?

Back on the off-topic, it is hard to tell if it will work with VOIP.  Do
you have the device?  How does it interact with the Bell system?  The
catch is probably with having your residential address correctly tied
into the 911 database.  

For the voip provider Unlimitel, there is a basic 911 service which just
gets you talking to a 911 operator.  It does not send any location info.
Then there is an optional $10 fee to be registered with the national
E911 database.  In this version, your number is tied to a static
location.  The latter is the Bell default.

Details here:


You should make sure that your (new) residential location is properly
registered.  Start by asking your provider. To be completely sure,
casually dial 911 on Sunday morning and announce that you are testing
your VOIP 911 system.  You will have to speak to law enforcement and
convince them that it is only a test so turn down the TV/kids during the

On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 17:08 -0500, Insurance Squared Inc. wrote:
> Wow.  You're required to buy their monitoring service? 
> I've no answer to your technical questions.  But something doesn't smell 
> right here - there's way too many people without regular bell service 
> these days.  Cable and cell phone is the standard these days for anyone 
> < 30 years old, and that's got to make up a reasonable segment of buyers 
> of newly constructed homes.  There's no way you're the test case for not 
> having a bell line.  (or to put it another way, not only is the city 
> requiring you to pay their monitoring service, they're also requiring 
> you to buy Bell. ).
> Jason Locklin wrote:
> > I know this is off topic, but since there are a few VOIP experts here,
> > I am humbly requesting any advice I can get.
> >
> > I am moving into a new house in a couple weeks and was just thrown a
> > curve-ball. I just found out that the Kitchener won't give us an
> > occupancy permit unless we have this direct detect service:
> > http://www.kitchener.ca/city_hall/departments/devtech_services/fire/direct_detect/residential_monitoring.html
> >
> > Of course, they "say" that it only works with a Bell phone line.
> > Apparently it is just a device that dials out when the smoke alarm goes
> > off. I have convinced them to let me "try" it with my voip ata.
> > I'm going to get DSL service at the house on the first, and our
> > inspection is on the second, so I need this thing to work right away or
> > problems will ensue.
> >
> > I'm considering involving my lawyer if this delays our occupancy
> > permit, but I'd like to know if anyone here has used this system with a
> > voip ata? Any chance this will simply work?
> >
> >
> > note: I'm using a linksys spa-2102 with Acanac and have been using it
> > for over a year, so it's already configured correctly for phone use.
> >
> >  __
> > Jason
> >
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